Governor Kaine vetoed Virginia guns bills

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    Quote Originally Posted by DaveH View Post
    Waiting?

    More than his current full-time job as Chairman DNC?
    Advisor.
    "The Constitution is not an instrument for the government to restrain the people; it is an instrument for the people to restrain the government".
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    Don't supprise me King. I mean God kain don't like guns in bars so no matter what the people say he thinks he has the better opinion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DaveH View Post
    NoVA (a.k.a DC west), Tidewater, & Richmond.
    How can the Eastern Shore succeed from Tidewater region?

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    I hope all Va. gun owners are flooding his office with phone calls and emails. His actions are unacceptable.
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    Kane is too stupid to realize that Virginians can and do already carry guns in restaurants in Virginia(There are no bars in Va in spite of what Kane thinks or says), we are just required to carry them openly, and we can drink while carrying, I personally do not though, when carrying.

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    I E-mailed him....unfortunately I was hot under the collar at the time and ended up calling him an IDIOT!

    That's still legal, isn't it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zsnake View Post
    I E-mailed him....unfortunately I was hot under the collar at the time and ended up calling him an IDIOT!

    That's still legal, isn't it?
    Shouldn't be a problem, I'm sure he hears it quite often, probably from his wife most of all!!

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    I'm glad I voted for the other guy... I won't miss Kaine at all when his term is up!
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    Question Letters? Time is running out!

    Virginia DC Members,

    Have you acted, yet.

    If not here is an easy generator for you to use.

    From VA-ALERT:

    Time is short - you need to contact your Senator and Delegate and ask
    them to override all of the vetoes on gun bills this year.

    As usual, we have made this super simple. Click on the links below to
    send a pre-written message to YOUR Senator and YOUR Delegate. The
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    your address and your Zip+4.

    **The veto override session is on April 8th, so we need to get
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    Got a real nice answer from Ed.Scott.......


    "Thank you for writing me regarding Governor Kaine's vetoes. Please know that all of these measures had my support when they were voted on earlier this year. That support continues and I agree with you that the Governor's actions should be overridden.



    My strong support for the rights of law-abiding gun owners continues. I am glad to have your input as well.



    Ed Scott

    Delegate, 30th District"

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    Good Washingtontimes

    From VA-ALERT

    Great opinion piece on veto-override session!
    *********************************************

    One thing the opinion piece got wrong is that it stated that retired
    police cannot drink while carrying under SB 877. That is NOT true.

    The opinion points out Kaine's anti-gun hysteria for vetoing bills
    that have large veto-proof majorities supporting them:

    Washington Times - EDITORIAL: Anti-reason on guns

    The Washington Times
    Wednesday, April 1, 2009
    EDITORIAL: Anti-reason on guns

    When Tim Kaine campaigned for Virginia governor in 2005, he ran an ad
    implying that former National Rifle Association President Charlton
    Heston was praising him. His campaign claimed that "Tim Kaine strongly
    supports the Second Amendment." Once he won office, Mr. Kaine vetoed
    one gun bill after another that would have helped Virginians protect
    themselves from criminals.

    Unfortunately, this past week, Mr. "strong Second Amendment supporter"
    Kaine vetoed all five pro-self-defense bills sent to his desk. His
    intransigence endangers public safety. Hopefully, the General
    Assembly's veto-override session, which starts today, can correct
    those mistakes.

    All five vetoed bills passed with overwhelming bipartisan support -
    indeed, all but one bill got at least two-thirds support in both the
    Senate and the House. The governor knows he can be easily overriden.
    Showing how out-of-touch he is on this issue, Mr. Kaine vetoed some
    bills that even passed unanimously. So overrides seem likely unless
    Mr. Kaine can flip enough Democrats to sustain his vetoes.

    Take Mr. Kaine's veto of the bill that would let retired law
    enforcement officers carry their guns in restaurants that serve
    alcohol. These are retired officers who have served in law enforcement
    for at least 10 years. They already have been qualified under federal
    law to carry a concealed firearm, and they would not be allowed to
    drink alcohol when they are armed. The Democrat-controlled Senate
    passed the bill unanimously and 85 percent of the Republican-
    controlled House voted for it.

    Yet Mr. Kaine keeps repeating the mindless, inapplicable slogan "Guns
    and alcohol don't mix." More than 30 right-to-carry states around the
    nation allow law-abiding citizens - not just retired police with 10
    years' experience - to carry permitted concealed handguns in
    restaurants that serve alcohol. There is no evidence of any problems.
    Yet when asked, Mr. Kaine's press office told The Times that "it is
    irrelevant what is the evidence in any other state. This is Virginia,
    and that is all the governor cares about." Despite repeated requests
    for evidence, none was given. When The Times offered to give the
    governor's office more time to find evidence for the Mr. Kaine's
    position, the press office said there was "no reason to check" if
    there was evidence.

    This strikes us as a remarkably anti-rational perspective. When
    people's safety is on the line, facts should matter. Retired officers
    are volunteering to protect Virginians for free, essentially serving
    as undercover officers. But that is not good enough for Mr. Kaine. The
    governor trusts active-duty officers, but somehow, as soon as they
    retire - even after years of service - they are no longer trustworthy.

    We have a news flash for the governor: Crimes occur in restaurants.
    Uniformed police are extremely important, but they almost always get
    to the scene after the crime has been committed. Indeed, as research
    shows, these gun-free zones actually attract criminal attacks because
    criminals know they have less to fear from potential victims.

    Another problem with banning retired police from carrying their
    permitted guns in restaurants is that this can prevent them from
    carrying their guns elsewhere - eviscerating the concealed-handgun law.

    Mr. Kaine's veto of the bill to let law-abiding citizens with
    concealed-handgun permits in restaurants is just as mistaken. There
    are obvious benefits from letting people protect themselves and
    others, and with all the experience from other states, there is no
    evidence that there are any risks.

    Mr. Kaine's vetoes of the other bills make no more sense. The House
    unanimously passed a bill that lets concealed-handgun permit holders
    take their safety course online, and 75 percent of the Senate also
    voted for the bill. Virginia lets driver-safety courses be taken over
    the Internet. Even if the governor doesn't get it yet, the General
    Assembly at least seems to understand that we live in the age of
    computers.

    Finally, there are no published empirical studies by economists or
    criminologists showing that one-gun-a-month purchase restrictions
    reduce any type of violent crime rate. There is no crime reduction in
    states with the laws or in their neighboring states. We wish Virginia
    would join the other 47 states without this law, but Mr. Kaine vetoed
    a bill that affected only active-duty military personnel - allowing
    them to buy more than one gun. Does Mr. Kaine really have a problem
    trusting soldiers with guns?

    Mr. Kaine is more than just out of step with Virginians on public
    safety. The governor's facts-be-damned attitude worries us. Evidence
    should matter to public servants. We hope the legislators stick to
    their guns, resist the governor's pressure and override all five of
    Mr. Kaine's vetoes.



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    (VCDL). VCDL is an all-volunteer, non-partisan grassroots organization
    dedicated to defending the human rights of all Virginians. The Right to
    Keep and Bear Arms is a fundamental human right.

    VCDL web page: Virginia Citizens Defense League, Inc. (VCDL)
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    I'm just one root in a grassroots organization. No one should assume that I speak for the VCDL.

    I am neither an attorney-at-law nor I do play one on television or on the internet. No one should assumes my opinion is legal advice.

    Veni, Vidi, Velcro

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    Good Washington Times opinion piece

    Note: Times not Post

    From VA-ALERT

    Great on veto-override session!
    *********************************************

    One thing the opinion piece got wrong is that it stated that retired
    police cannot drink while carrying under SB 877. That is NOT true.

    The opinion points out Kaine's anti-gun hysteria for vetoing bills
    that have large veto-proof majorities supporting them:

    Washington Times - EDITORIAL: Anti-reason on guns

    The Washington Times
    Wednesday, April 1, 2009
    EDITORIAL: Anti-reason on guns

    When Tim Kaine campaigned for Virginia governor in 2005, he ran an ad
    implying that former National Rifle Association President Charlton
    Heston was praising him. His campaign claimed that "Tim Kaine strongly
    supports the Second Amendment." Once he won office, Mr. Kaine vetoed
    one gun bill after another that would have helped Virginians protect
    themselves from criminals.

    Unfortunately, this past week, Mr. "strong Second Amendment supporter"
    Kaine vetoed all five pro-self-defense bills sent to his desk. His
    intransigence endangers public safety. Hopefully, the General
    Assembly's veto-override session, which starts today, can correct
    those mistakes.

    All five vetoed bills passed with overwhelming bipartisan support -
    indeed, all but one bill got at least two-thirds support in both the
    Senate and the House. The governor knows he can be easily overriden.
    Showing how out-of-touch he is on this issue, Mr. Kaine vetoed some
    bills that even passed unanimously. So overrides seem likely unless
    Mr. Kaine can flip enough Democrats to sustain his vetoes.

    Take Mr. Kaine's veto of the bill that would let retired law
    enforcement officers carry their guns in restaurants that serve
    alcohol. These are retired officers who have served in law enforcement
    for at least 10 years. They already have been qualified under federal
    law to carry a concealed firearm, and they would not be allowed to
    drink alcohol when they are armed. The Democrat-controlled Senate
    passed the bill unanimously and 85 percent of the Republican-
    controlled House voted for it.

    Yet Mr. Kaine keeps repeating the mindless, inapplicable slogan "Guns
    and alcohol don't mix." More than 30 right-to-carry states around the
    nation allow law-abiding citizens - not just retired police with 10
    years' experience - to carry permitted concealed handguns in
    restaurants that serve alcohol. There is no evidence of any problems.
    Yet when asked, Mr. Kaine's press office told The Times that "it is
    irrelevant what is the evidence in any other state. This is Virginia,
    and that is all the governor cares about." Despite repeated requests
    for evidence, none was given. When The Times offered to give the
    governor's office more time to find evidence for the Mr. Kaine's
    position, the press office said there was "no reason to check" if
    there was evidence.

    This strikes us as a remarkably anti-rational perspective. When
    people's safety is on the line, facts should matter. Retired officers
    are volunteering to protect Virginians for free, essentially serving
    as undercover officers. But that is not good enough for Mr. Kaine. The
    governor trusts active-duty officers, but somehow, as soon as they
    retire - even after years of service - they are no longer trustworthy.

    We have a news flash for the governor: Crimes occur in restaurants.
    Uniformed police are extremely important, but they almost always get
    to the scene after the crime has been committed. Indeed, as research
    shows, these gun-free zones actually attract criminal attacks because
    criminals know they have less to fear from potential victims.

    Another problem with banning retired police from carrying their
    permitted guns in restaurants is that this can prevent them from
    carrying their guns elsewhere - eviscerating the concealed-handgun law.

    Mr. Kaine's veto of the bill to let law-abiding citizens with
    concealed-handgun permits in restaurants is just as mistaken. There
    are obvious benefits from letting people protect themselves and
    others, and with all the experience from other states, there is no
    evidence that there are any risks.

    Mr. Kaine's vetoes of the other bills make no more sense. The House
    unanimously passed a bill that lets concealed-handgun permit holders
    take their safety course online, and 75 percent of the Senate also
    voted for the bill. Virginia lets driver-safety courses be taken over
    the Internet. Even if the governor doesn't get it yet, the General
    Assembly at least seems to understand that we live in the age of
    computers.

    Finally, there are no published empirical studies by economists or
    criminologists showing that one-gun-a-month purchase restrictions
    reduce any type of violent crime rate. There is no crime reduction in
    states with the laws or in their neighboring states. We wish Virginia
    would join the other 47 states without this law, but Mr. Kaine vetoed
    a bill that affected only active-duty military personnel - allowing
    them to buy more than one gun. Does Mr. Kaine really have a problem
    trusting soldiers with guns?

    Mr. Kaine is more than just out of step with Virginians on public
    safety. The governor's facts-be-damned attitude worries us. Evidence
    should matter to public servants. We hope the legislators stick to
    their guns, resist the governor's pressure and override all five of
    Mr. Kaine's vetoes.



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    VA-ALERT is a project of the Virginia Citizens Defense League, Inc.
    (VCDL). VCDL is an all-volunteer, non-partisan grassroots organization
    dedicated to defending the human rights of all Virginians. The Right to
    Keep and Bear Arms is a fundamental human right.

    VCDL web page: Virginia Citizens Defense League, Inc. (VCDL)
    Μολὼν λαβέ

    I'm just one root in a grassroots organization. No one should assume that I speak for the VCDL.

    I am neither an attorney-at-law nor I do play one on television or on the internet. No one should assumes my opinion is legal advice.

    Veni, Vidi, Velcro

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    I'm not a Virginia resident but I work there and have a non-resident permit. I am praying they toss the restaurant ban. How odious.

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