Governor Kaine vetoed Virginia guns bills

Governor Kaine vetoed Virginia guns bills

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    Thumbs down Governor Kaine vetoed Virginia guns bills

    As expected the THE CHAIRMAN (DNC) vetoed Virginia gun bills.

    Virginia members, PLEASE take Action

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    URGENT ACTION ITEM AT END, PLEASE DO YOUR PART - WE CAN FIX THIS!
    Governor Kaine vetoed a host of guns bills, some for things that the
    bills don't even do!

    He thought he knew what they did, but he clearly didn't bother to
    actually read them.

    This would almost be comical if it didn't affect the safety of the
    public.

    Here are the bills he vetoed and his, er, logic in doing so, and my
    comments:

    SB 1035, Senator Hanger, repeals the restaurant ban. Governor says,
    "Allowing concealed weapons into restaurants and bars that serve
    alcohol puts the public, the employees, and our public safety officers
    at risk. I take seriously the objections of law enforcement to this
    measure." Baloney. The Governor orders the police to tell him they
    think allowing permit holders to carry concealed in restaurants, even
    if they don't drink, endangers the public, then he uses their coerced
    statement to justify what he was going to do anyhow.

    SB 877, Senator Martin, repeals the restaurant ban for retired
    police. Governor Says, "While it makes sense for current law
    enforcement officers to be permitted to carry their firearms when in
    such establishments, there is no compelling reason for retired law
    enforcement officers to have weapons in locations where alcohol is
    served." Well at least the Governor is consistent in his double-
    standard, that allows untrained Commonwealth Attorneys and their
    deputies to carry concealed in restaurants and drink, while denying
    anybody not on the government payroll the same right to protect
    themselves, not matter how trustworthy they have proven themselves.

    HB 1851, Delegate Lingamfelter, exempts active duty military from One
    Handgun a Month. Governor says, "The new exemption would apply to
    active duty service members, whether Virginia residents or not.
    Because holders of valid Virginia concealed weapons permits are
    already able to purchase more than one handgun per month, House Bill
    1851 only extends the ability to buy more than one handgun a month to
    nonresidents or those Virginians unable to obtain a concealed weapons
    permit." What?!? Unable to get a permit or CHOOSE not to, Governor?
    The Governor must be related to Marie Antoinette, with his "let them
    eat cake" attitude toward our military. Shameful.

    SB 1528, Senator Cuccinnelli, allows for Internet-based training for
    CHP applicants. Governor says, "The state requires an applicant for a
    concealed weapons permit to take a written safety test to demonstrate
    that the individual understands how to use a weapon in a safe manner.
    Allowing the testing to be done online would weaken the ability of the
    Commonwealth to determine who is actually taking the test and open up
    opportunities for individuals to receive a permit under fraudulent
    circumstances with no guarantee that they can use a weapon safely."
    WHAT?!? There is NO requirement in current law for a written SAFETY
    test!!! Where did he come up with that? So he vetoed this bill based
    on a law that he just made up out of thin air. If there is any fraud
    going on, Governor, it is YOU swearing an oath to defend and protect
    the Constitution.

    HB 2528, Delegate Cole, requires that localities pass an ordinance
    before doing gun buy-ups. Governor says, "I veto House Bill 2528,
    which unnecessarily interferes with the operations of local
    governments. Specifically, the bill prohibits local law enforcement
    from choosing to conduct voluntary gun buyback programs and then
    destroying the weapons. Some localities have found this program to be
    effective in reducing the number of illegal firearms in their
    communities. It is not a mandatory program, and law enforcement in
    each locality have made the decision whether such a program is
    desirable in their own county or city. There is no compelling reason
    for the General Assembly to take this decision out of the hands of
    local law enforcement." WHAT?!? It does NOT require that localities
    not destroy guns. The final bill that passed made it an option for
    localities to be able to either do that or to sell the guns to a
    federally licensed gun dealer. The Governor is NOT reading these
    bills and is vetoing them based on erroneous knowledge of what the
    bills do! Harvard needs to get that diploma back ASAP.

    I would sum up Governor Kaine's attitude as, "To hell with the will of
    the People as expressed through the Legislature. I, King Kaine, know
    what all the People want and need and I have no interest in hearing
    their little voices and don't want to be confused with the facts."

    --

    What now?

    On April 8th the General Assembly meets to override the Governor's
    vetoes. Unlike Governor Kaine, the General Assembly needs to show
    that public safety is more important than blind anti-gun politics.

    A quick look at the vetoed bills:

    SB 1035, the restaurant ban repeal, needs 5 more votes to be
    overridden in the Senate and the VCDL "robo calls" are working that
    issue right now. The House only needs 1 more vote to override the
    veto. (Senate 22 to 16, House 66 to 33) SEE ACTION ITEM BELOW!

    SB 877, the restaurant ban repeal for retired police, passed by a
    large veto proof margin. (Senate 40 to 0, House 84 to 15)

    SB 1851, One Handgun A Month exemption for active duty military,
    passed by a large veto proof majority. (Senate 31 to 8, House 86 to 13)

    SB 1528, internet training for CHPs, passed by a large veto-proof
    majority. (Senate 29 to 10, House 99 to 0)

    HB 2528, gun buy-up bill, passed by a large veto-proof majority.
    (Senate 28 to 12, House 85 to 11)


    So only one bill is in any real jeopardy, SB 1035, the restaurant ban
    repeal for CHP holders. The other bills have decent margin of votes
    to override the Governor's veto.

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    ACTION ITEM

    If YOUR Senator is one of the following:

    Blevins, Colgan, Herring, Lucas, Norment, Northam, or Petersen

    And/Or YOUR Delegate is one of the following:

    Albo, Amundson, Caputo, Dance, Hamilton, Hargrove, Mathieson, May,
    Melvin, Paula Miller, Poisson, Rust, Shannon, Sickles, Tata, Tyler,
    Vanderhye, or Watts

    You need to call them NOW and let them know that since they supported
    RETIRED police officers carrying concealed in restaurants, even if
    they are drinking alcohol, they NEED to change their vote and override
    the Governor's veto to SUPPORT concealed handgun permit holders
    carrying concealed in restaurants if they don't drink!

    These legislators simply cannot justify what they have done by their
    contradictory votes. We MUST call them and let them know we expect
    them to make it right by overriding the veto.

    Here are their LOCAL phone numbers. Remember - call them NOW if they
    represent you. Have your family members and neighbors do the same.

    We CAN do this if enough of you do your part.

    Remember to hold their feet to the fire on this one!


    Senators:

    Harry Blevins, 757-546-2435

    Chuck Colgan, 703-368-0300

    Mark Herring, 703-729-3300

    Louise Lucas, 757-397-8209

    Thomas Norment, 757-259-7810

    Ralph Northam, 757-818-5172

    Chap Petersen, 703-349-3361


    Delegates:

    Dave Albo, 703-451-3555

    Kristen Amundson, 703-619-0444

    Chuck Caputo, 703-476-6944

    Rosalyn Dance, 804-862-2922

    Phillip Hamilton, 757-249-2480

    Frank Hargrove, 804-550-2900

    Bobby Mathieson, 757-470-3000

    Joe May, 703-777-1191

    Ken Melvin, 757-397-2800

    Paula Miller, 757-587-8757

    David Poisson, 703-421-6899

    Thomas Rust, 703-437-9400

    Stephen Shannon, 703-281-5200

    Mark Sickles, 703-922-6440

    Bob Tata, 757-340-3510

    Roslyn Tyler, 434-336-1710

    Margi Vanderhye, 703-448-8018

    Vivian Watts, 703-978-2989


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    Having once lived in Virginia, I am sorry to see this, but not surprised. I hope efforts to override his vetoes are successful!
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    This doofus is getting to be a royal PITA! Why bother electing delegates and having the whole process, he thinks it's HIS state!

    THIS is why VA is so great...



    HE CANNOT HAVE CONSECUTIVE TERMS!!!!!

    HAHAHAHAHA.


    Of course, that is also why he doesn't care what the people think!
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    You all need a new governor.

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    He is the worst Governor that we have had since I've been a voter. I want say more because I know it will get closed and I will get a IM.

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    Make sure everyone calls or writes those representatives listed so we can have those bills put into law.

    Gov. Kaine just doesn't get it.

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    The governor is certainly consistent!

    From what I understand of the gun laws in Virginia, I can't understand how anti-gun Kaine ever got elected in a fairly pro-gun state. I also wonder how VA ever got to the 1-gun-per-month law, which seems so different from the rest of the VA gun laws.

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    Don't give up yet. The VCDL has successfully brought this bill up every term, and has more and more progress and notoriety every time. Kaine's about to be out, and VA has voted a governor in of the opposing party of the standing US president 100% of the time since the 70's. Just wait till November, I think next year will be the one!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anubis View Post
    The governor is certainly consistent!

    From what I understand of the gun laws in Virginia, I can't understand how anti-gun Kaine ever got elected in a fairly pro-gun state.
    NoVA (a.k.a DC west), Tidewater, & Richmond.
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    Thumbs down Death penalty, guns and interrogation devices

    From Roakoke Times, Roakoke VA

    Kaine vetoes 12 bills OK'd by lawmakers - Roanoke.com

    Kaine vetoes 12 bills OK'd by lawmakers
    All dealt with the death penalty, guns and interrogation devices used by police.
    By Michael Sluss
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    RICHMOND -- Gov. Tim Kaine has vetoed legislation that would expand eligibility for the death penalty, allow concealed guns in establishments that serve alcohol and permit police to use unregulated lie detection devices during interrogations.

    Kaine announced vetoes of a dozen bills Friday, three days before his deadline for acting on legislation passed during this year's General Assembly session. Lawmakers will reconvene April 8 to act on bills that Kaine vetoed and amended, including revisions the governor proposes to the state budget.

    Five of the bills Kaine vetoed are measures that broaden eligibility for the death penalty. The rejected legislation includes two bills (Senate Bill 961 and House Bill 2358) that would redefine the so-called "triggerman rule" and make certain accomplices eligible for the death penalty in crimes such as murder for hire and terrorism.

    Kaine, who has consistently opposed efforts to expand death penalty eligibility, has had vetoes of similar bills sustained in the state Senate, where a two-thirds majority is needed to override. Sen. Mark Obenshain, R-Harrisonburg, the sponsor of the Senate version of the triggerman bill, said he expects Kaine's veto to hold.

    But Obenshain predicted the measure will become law next year, because all four candidates for governor either support the legislation or would allow it to become law.

    Kaine also vetoed bills (SB 1069, SB 1409 and HB 2638) to add murders of fire marshals and auxiliary police officers to the list of capital crimes. But those bills passed with enough support in both houses to withstand Kaine's veto, unless some lawmakers change their mind on the override votes next month.

    In a statement, Kaine said he considers the death penalty expansion unnecessary, noting that the state has already executed more people than any state but Texas since capital punishment was reinstated in 1976.

    "While the nature of the offenses targeted by this legislation is very serious, I do not believe that further expansion of the death penalty is necessary to protect human life." Kaine said.

    For the second year in a row, Kaine also vetoed a bill (SB 1035) that would allow gun owners with concealed-carry permits to have firearms in establishments that serve alcohol, as long as they don't drink. Kaine said allowing concealed weapons in such venues "puts the public, the employees and our public safety officers at risk."

    Gun measures vetoed also included one that would have allowed retired law enforcement officers to have concealed guns in establishments that serve alcohol (SB 877), another that would have exempted active duty military personnel from Virginia's one-handgun-per-month purchase law (HB 1851) and one that would have required localities that conduct gun buyback programs to attempt to sell the weapons to licensed dealers (HB 2528).

    Other bills Kaine vetoed included two bills (HB 1613 and SB 1374) that would allow police to use a device called a "voice stress analyzer" in interrogations. The legislation was sought by rural law enforcement agencies that don't have easy access to polygraph equipment. The voice stress devices work by measuring inaudible vibrations of the voice.

    Kaine initially proposed an amendment to the House version of the bill that would require the state to regulate the devices and license operators, but delegates rejected the governor's proposal by a 50-46 vote. Kaine then vetoed the bill and an identical Senate measure.

    Lawmakers will get another crack at the Senate version during the veto session.

    "Untested, unregulated devices should not be used in police investigations," Kaine said.
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    This gov vetoes smart legislation like he has lots of friends and relatives who are criminals...

    At least he can't be re-elected...
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    This stinks. I just moved to VA and hate having to disarm to go to a decent restaurant. I would love to be able to carry my gun there but open carry is career suicide for me.
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    Kaine is a major tool. He spoke at my son's graduation from UVA and spent the whole speech talking about himself. I have now moved from VA to WA. Here, I'm able to carry in a restaurant as long as I don't enter the "bar" section. There must be something about crossing back into VA that would make me a raving lunatic.

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    Maybe his veto can be over ridden. When he's gone, Obama has a job waiting for him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Roy McC View Post
    When he's gone, Obama has a job waiting for him.
    Waiting?

    More than his current full-time job as Chairman DNC?
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