This is a discussion on The beginning of the End??? Is it? within the The Second Amendment & Gun Legislation Discussion forums, part of the Related Topics category; Originally Posted by fatcat Then there is the "carry" permit which allows you to carry concealed anywhere that it is legal. This carry permit itself ...
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From what I understand there were 2 pistols found on the scene and both were on his permit. I just recently got my permit and under restrictions it says "NONE". It is up to the individual county as to how they issue permits in NY. Some require a class, others not, some start with restrictions and then will remove them. Others will not issue an unrestricted permit at all unless you have some friends in high places or fight tooth and nail for it.
I could be mistaken but I believe that if any of the first 10 amendments (Bill Of Rights) are every repealed the Constitution is null and void. The very ratification of the Constitution was only achieved after these guarantees were added.
I have read the Permit laws of NYS, and I can not find any permit information that says "for Hunting only" you either have a Concealed carry permit or you don't...period
SO, NOW THAT WE ARE COMPLETELY OFF TOPIC
can we get back to my OP Thank you
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Glen Beck is 'sorta' correct? we will be able to keep our guns, but they will be rendered useless by taxing everything associated with firearms.
This kind of thinking will hurt USPSA/IPSC and competition shooters (or anyone that just likes to shoot a lot) by simply making it to expensive for the average person to purchase ammo or components to make bullets
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You know, its really strange that we could all either mail order or purchase in-person machine guns, military weapons, etc all we wanted to prior to 1934......and I know of no school shootings, workplace massacres, etc that were happening before then. There were more guns around, more guns in the hands of teenagers, etc back then than now.
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If loose gun laws are good for criminals why do criminals support gun control?
Regarding the shootings in PA.....
there was a lengthy segment on Fox News two weeks ago in which Glenn Beck and the NRA's Wayne LaPierre insisted that Americans' 2nd Amendment rights are "under attack" from the Obama administration. What's more, as Neiwert noted this morning, the conservative Pittsburgh Tribune-Review ran a story just three days ago about "speculation that President Obama might pull the trigger on tighter regulations for gun ownership." The article quoted a gun-store salesman raising the specter of a "confiscation of firearms" from the government.
I may be an NRA life member, but I can assure you I do not condone the way they act politically. The outright lies they printed during the election were simply disgusting.
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I'm not sure of how it will play out but it will be nasty!
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Actually, Im starting to wonder if there will be any gun control in the near future. As everything falls apart and law enforcement is over run we'll ALL be using our guns to fend for ourselves.
Honestly, Im not worried so much about losing my guns. To do so, is to die.
Make peace with it and go on.
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I fear that the Dems will try and use these shootings against the 2A. But any sensible person can see that these people were a little off or bad people to begin with.
I fear for the 2A because when were you able to ever talk sense to a politician
I'm at the point of thinking attempts will be made, but will all be futile. Just look at the records of law abiding citizens buying guns. And nobody takes into account that the shootings all seem to happen in either gun free zones, or places where gun laws are rather strict (ie. New York or Chicago).
I'm sort of with All American on that if everything falls apart, we will be protecting ourselves with our weapons. In a way I'm almost awaiting a "reformat and reinstall" of sorts in our system that would set everything back to the constitution.
Reading that page with beck and LaPierre is kind of sickening though. From reading the comments, it just proves most people these days can't have a decent discussion or debate without just dropping all sense of civility and hurling **** at each other like monkeys.
The gunman had a NYS license. I don't know if administrative restrictions such as sportsman (target/hunting) applied but that is not the point. The license didn't give him permission to go into the civil center and shoot people. And whatever restrictions he may have had on his license didn't prevent him from doing it.
This may not be true in the county where his license was issued but in Suffolk you need to provide three personal references. I'd be interested in knowing who provided the references if he needed them when he applied for his pistol license.
The flaw in the thinking of many gun control advocates is believing that another law would have prevented this shooting. The gunman broke the law numerous times in committing this act. What makes them think passing new laws would have prevented him from violating those laws to commit this crime.
In addition this event displays another fallacy, that the police can protect you. All of the victims were killed/injuried BEFORE the police arrived. These victims (13 killed plus others injured) were rendered defenseless against one armed attacker probably by some of the laws that have been passed under the guise that they (laws) were suppose to defend them.