Good News For Montana (Updated)

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    For those that are interested, the text of this bill (as passed by both houses) can be found at HB 228

    NRA review of the bill: Montana HB 228

    As you read through it you will see that it was introduced with the "Alaska carry" provision, but that it was amended out. Still, all in all, it is a significant victory. The sad fact is that we need to be pushing for this kind of legislation at all... it's sad that the rights that we just "assumed" we had in days gone by need to be spelled out explicitly or they are going to be lost.

    Also, the Senate amendment that would have prohibited CC in medical facilities was taken out during conference committee and is not in the final bill. I always wondered if that provision made it in if you would be cited for CC if you were brought into the ER on a gurney. Glad they took that one out...

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    Quote Originally Posted by XDOwner View Post

    As you read through it you will see that it was introduced with the "Alaska carry" provision, but that it was amended out.

    Also, the Senate amendment that would have prohibited CC in medical facilities was taken out during conference committee and is not in the final bill.

    I do believe I mentioned these in the OP...

    Good news: the Conference Committee stripped the provision that prohibited concealed carry in hospitals & health care facilities.

    Bad news: "Vermont/Alaska" style carry was stripped from the bill early on. We still need permits, but as before, only inside incorporated cities or towns.


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    Really might consider moving to Montana...

    How is the job market there??
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dal1Celt View Post
    Really might consider moving to Montana...

    How is the job market there??

    Not good, but better than many parts of the US. Search the major papers (Billings Gazette, Missoulian, Helena Indepedent Record, Great Falls Tribune, Bozeman Chronicle) and look over the postings at the state's Job Service.

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    Congrats to the residents of Montana! Everyone else, get on your state legislatures to get something similar introduced into your state!
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    Update

    Alert received from the Montana Shooting Sports Association. All Montana members are urged to e-mail Governor Schweitzer and ask him to sign HB-228 in its final form from the Legislature. Members in other states can help us out with e-mails, too. Very important!

    HB 228 sponsor Rep. Krayton Kerns reports that the lobbyist for Montana credit unions is lobbying the Governor (at this very late date) to do an amendatory veto of HB 228 to disallow open carry of firearms in credit unions in Montana. If this 12th-hour idea should get any traction, it will open a can of worms with HB 228. There will emerge a pages-long list of places where open carry is not allowed!

    Please contact Governor Schweitzer and ask him to sign HB 228 AS IS!

    You can phone the Governor's office at 444-3111 and leave a message, you can fax the Governor at 444-5529 (hint, you can Google up one of the free Internet fax services ["free fax"] to fax a document file from your computer), or you can send a comment to the Governor via his Online comment form at:
    Montana Governor Brian Schweitzer

    I recommend you keep your message VERY short. Just ask the Governor to sign HB 228 AS IT HAS COME FROM THE LEGISLATURE.


    When you’re wounded and left on Afghanistan’s plains,
    And the women come out to cut up what remains,
    Just roll to your rifle and blow out your brains,
    And go to your God like a soldier.

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    Terry

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    Montana Has A Castle Doctrine Law!

    Gary Marbut, President of the Montana Shooting Sports Association (MSSA) announced today that Governor Brian Schweitzer signed HB-228 into law.

    Dear MSSA Friends,

    It's confirmed. The Governor signed HB 228, our Self Defense bill, this morning. The fat lady has sung, and it's time to celebrate.
    Now maybe we'll earn the coveted "F-minus" grade from the Brady Bunch!


    When you’re wounded and left on Afghanistan’s plains,
    And the women come out to cut up what remains,
    Just roll to your rifle and blow out your brains,
    And go to your God like a soldier.

    Rudyard Kipling


    Terry

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    Good news indeed. I have watching the status of the bill everyday.
    as of now they still haven't updated it on the MT Gov web site.
    Great News!!! Thanks for the updates Captain Crunch
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    May the other 49 States including Wyoming, Idaho, Utah, Texas, Oklahoma, Arkansas, and Louisiana, quickly follow in the true American Patriot foot steps of the State of MONTANA.


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    Outstanding ! Montana - Congratulations to all both in Montana and out of Montana that actively supported the passage of this Bill to become Montana Law.

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    Montana House Bill 228 - Right to Self Defense and Right to Bear Arms

    http://data.opi.mt.gov/bills/2009/BillPdf/HB0228.pdf
    Montana House Bill 228 (8 pages)

    ----- Original Message -----
    From: Gary Marbut-MSSA
    To: mssa@mtssa.org
    Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 1:34 PM
    Subject: OK, break out the champagne

    Dear MSSA Friends,

    It's confirmed. The Governor signed HB 228, our Self Defense bill, this morning. The fat lady has sung, and it's time to celebrate.

    There are a lot of people to thank for the passage of HB 228.

    First, thanks to all of YOU for your staunch support. Thanks for traveling to Helena to testify, and thanks for the avalanche of messages to committee members and other legislators. Legislators report that they received more messages in support of HB 228 than for ANY other bill, ever. YOU made a difference!!

    Second, thanks to sponsor Rep. Krayton Kerns (R-Billings) for doing a great job of carrying the bill. He invested a LOT of effort in HB 228.

    Third, thanks to the NRA for (finally) supporting this landmark legislation. The NRA was fully onboard and fully engaged this session, especially the NRA State Liaison for Montana, Brian Judy who has long been a friend to Montana gun owners, even when the NRA in D.C. was hanging back.

    Fourth, thanks to Rep. Deb Kottel (D-Great Falls) for her heroic support of HB 228, in both the House and Senate. Deb's support made a LOT of difference and showed some other Democrats that HB 228 was NOT a partisan, party-line issue, but a "people" issue.

    Fifth, thanks to all those other legislators who enthusiastically supported HB 228 and never wavered on the principles involved.

    Sixth, thanks to those brave law enforcement professionals who bucked the current and came out publicly in favor of HB 228

    Finally, thanks to Governor Schweitzer for signing HB 228, both for doing what he promised in MSSA's Candidate Questionnaire, AND for being a true Montanan by supporting HB 228.

    It wouldn't be amiss for every one on this list to send a one-line email to Rep. Kerns and Rep. Kottel thanking them for their valiant support of HB 228.
    "Krayton Kerns" <drkerns@rbbmt.org>
    "Deborah J. Kottel" <Debk@cccsmt.org>

    Put "Thanks for HB 228" in the Subject line.

    BTW, thumbs down for the few law enforcement administrators and prosecutors who are so afraid of armed citizens that they lied and claimed end-of-life-on-Earth in opposing HB 228. You need to work locally to replace these people. They just don't have a Montana attitude.

    Whew!! I think it's time now to go burn some powder (if there's any available).

    Gary Marbut, president
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    Nice. Even more of a reason to move out that way when I finish up nursing school. My parents live in the Kalispell area and they are constantly begging us to move out that direction...that sweetens the pot!
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    May the other 49 States including Wyoming, Idaho, Utah, Texas, Oklahoma, Arkansas, and Louisiana, quickly follow in the true American Patriot foot steps of the State of MONTANA.
    At least 25 other states have passed Castle Docrine laws, including Wyoming:

    NRA-ILA :: Wyoming Governor signs "castle doctrine" bill


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    And the women come out to cut up what remains,
    Just roll to your rifle and blow out your brains,
    And go to your God like a soldier.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Crunch View Post
    At least 25 other states have passed Castle Docrine laws, including Wyoming:

    NRA-ILA :: Wyoming Governor signs "castle doctrine" bill
    these are not as encompassing as the new MONTANA Law as far as Self Defense and do not cover Open Carry as the new MONTANA Law.

    Wyoming and other States have CHL or CHP - for handguns only and do not allow "Weapons" (much more than just handguns) as covered under MONTANA Law.

    MONTANA Law is much closer to the Second Amendment than any of the States you refer too. Read the restrictive laws in the laws you refer to and then compare to MONTANA Law.

    Montana needs to allow conceal carry where booze is served, delete the old law of no guns on trains, and deleted the law on automatic knives (i.e. Benchmade auto knives, etc).

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    these are not as encompassing as the new MONTANA Law as far as Self Defense and do not cover Open Carry as the new MONTANA Law.
    Open carry has nothing to do with Castle Doctrine.

    The only reason open carry was included in HB-228 is because, up to now, OC has never actually been codified by statute. That was a loop hole that needed to be changed, and now it is. OC has always been traditional in Montana but was never specifically allowed (or disallowed) by law.

    Florida's Castle Doctrine law, for one, is every bit as "encompassing" as Montana's.


    When you’re wounded and left on Afghanistan’s plains,
    And the women come out to cut up what remains,
    Just roll to your rifle and blow out your brains,
    And go to your God like a soldier.

    Rudyard Kipling


    Terry

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    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Crunch View Post
    Open carry has nothing to do with Castle Doctrine.

    The only reason open carry was included in HB-228 is because, up to now, OC has never actually been codified by statute. That was a loop hole that needed to be changed, and now it is. OC has always been traditional in Montana but was never specifically allowed (or disallowed) by law.

    Florida's Castle Doctrine law, for one, is every bit as "encompassing" as Montana's.
    Read my words not your thoughts on my words.

    Read your words.

    You are the only one that uses the word Castle Doctrine.

    I refer only to HB 228.

    Where does anywhere in HB 228 is the word or words Castle and/or Doctrine mentioned ? Answer - No where. Read it word for word or do a word search to prove it to yourself.

    http://data.opi.mt.gov/bills/2009/billpdf/HB0228.pdf


    Now I will mention Castle Doctrine, I will only mention it because I think it is a bunch of crapola. Castle Doctrine is different state to state. Thus ends any and all of comment on Castle Doctrine.

    The "only" law we Americans should have on the books related to Arms is the Second Amendment.

    From your post : "OC has always been traditional in Montana but was never specifically allowed (or disallowed) by law."

    In regard to your post: Laws should only disallow action "never" allow action. If something is not disallowed by Law then it is allowed - period.

    then in steps the "people control" freaks and those who have been brain washed both inside and outside the govt, then like in Montana - Peace Officers have actually arrested people for open carry even though it was not against the Law because it was not allowed by Law - stupid. So MSSA on the pointy of the spear - Gary Marbut and others in Helena, had to actually get this pass to include open carry because of "people control" freaks and the those who have been brain washed.

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