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This is a discussion on ABC's Shameful '20/20' Experiment-John Lott within the The Second Amendment & Gun Legislation Discussion forums, part of the Related Topics category; Originally Posted by grady Very well said by John Lott. I think I'll purchase a couple of his books to show my support... Originally Posted ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by grady View Post
    Very well said by John Lott. I think I'll purchase a couple of his books to show my support...
    Quote Originally Posted by lacrosse50 View Post
    I missed the broadcast, but it certainly sounds biased. I've also never run across Mr Lott, but he's got some very well thought out and reasoned arguments. Definitely going to have to do some more reading. Thanks for the post!
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    I recall one statistic that was not mentioned in this 20/20 special. I don't recall the precise source but here it is. This was from the instructor who was a Sgt. with the LVMPD that brought up this subject during the CCW class.

    Only 17% of LEO's in actual shooting incidents actually hit their intended target! What does that tell you about how the "average" ccw permit holder would fair under the same circumstances.

    According to this special LEO's are the most experienced people when it comes to actual shooting scenarios. And still they only hit their intended target only 17% of the time???

    It makes you wonder.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blakestr View Post
    I still don't get it, what do the anti-gunners have to gain by misleading/propagating this stuff?
    What to gain? Elimination of some guns, if they get their twisted way. And, elimination of some is better than not having tried to eliminate any.

    Of course, that won't hardly eliminate crime, not by a country mile, though they won't stoop to think that deeply about the impossibility of such a policy. It'll be seen as a victory, despite every one of their neighbors now being disarmed. It's a least-common-denominator approach to misery, and the satisfaction will be in the simple fact that everyone else will be in the same boat as they.

    Ayn Rand had a few things to say about that mentality, in Atlas Shrugged.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ccw9mm View Post
    What to gain? Elimination of some guns, if they get their twisted way. And, elimination of some is better than not having tried to eliminate any.

    Of course, that won't hardly eliminate crime, not by a country mile, though they won't stoop to think that deeply about the impossibility of such a policy. It'll be seen as a victory, despite every one of their neighbors now being disarmed. It's a least-common-denominator approach to misery, and the satisfaction will be in the simple fact that everyone else will be in the same boat as they.
    IMO, it is all about control. They believe they are smarter than us. They believe that we should not be allowed to do something that scares them. They believe that because they get the heebie-jeebies at the mere mention of firearms that we MUST be just as susceptible to the demonic influences clearly inherent in coming into the proximity of these evil inanimate objects.

    There is no logic in their position. If there was, they would ban the far-more-dangerous inanimate objects out there which ruin human lives far more frequently-cars, fire, Twinkies and Rosie O'Donnell.
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    ABC only wants to hear 500 characters.
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    Quote Originally Posted by alan93 View Post
    Thanks, I hate looking that stuff up lol.
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    I watched your special "If I Only Had A Gun" and wanted to say how utterly digusted I was to find out you staged the entire class room shooting scene. Your demonstrated bias against gun owners is nothing more than a deceptive and cowardly attempt to subvert the 2nd Ammendment of the Constitution under the guise of a "news show" is appalling and reprehensible.
    I will no longer view ABC News as a credible news source and will look else where when I want to get REAL news without faked editorials.
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    Dang, they only give you 500 chars. I wanted to go on for three pages
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    The liberal bias in the media makes most of these arguments meaningless. Even if proven wildly inaccurate, ABC/NBC/CBS/CNN would never allow it any airtime, other than to discredit it as a "biased" FOX type test.

    Not saying we shouldn't fight back, it is just not enough to have one network blasting our side. If we as a culture don't hold these other networks feet to the fire, we will not see a change. The liberal media has truly become the 4th branch of the government, and obviously the ringmaster of what has become the circus of public opinion.

    Don't support these stations OR their advertisers!!
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    Excellent article, too bad that the vast majority won't see it. It would be great to see a documentary made of it, and put on during primetime.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom357 View Post
    May I suggest:
    you start with More Guns, Less Crime;
    followed by The Bias Against Guns;
    followed by Straight Shooting: Firearms, Economics and Public Policy?
    Thanks, Tom.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DPAZ View Post
    The liberal bias in the media makes most of these arguments meaningless. Even if proven wildly inaccurate, ABC/NBC/CBS/CNN would never allow it any airtime, other than to discredit it as a "biased" FOX type test.

    Not saying we shouldn't fight back, it is just not enough to have one network blasting our side. If we as a culture don't hold these other networks feet to the fire, we will not see a change. The liberal media has truly become the 4th branch of the government, and obviously the ringmaster of what has become the circus of public opinion.

    Don't support these stations OR their advertisers!!
    The term 4th branch of goverment, is an old 70's idea, atleast thats the earliest I can track it too. The First Amendment include freedom of the press, and as such the press has always been a way of keeping the guys on the Hill honest. Sadly the media, with a few exceptions, is in on the works of the people on High.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TerriLi View Post
    The term 4th branch of goverment, is an old 70's idea, atleast thats the earliest I can track it too....
    Actually the press is usually referred to as the 4th estate. It's a phrase that started in the early 1800's.

    From: Fourth Estate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    The term Fourth Estate refers to the press. The term goes back at least to Thomas Carlyle in the first half of the 19th century. Thomas Macaulay used it in 1828.

    Novelist Jeffrey Archer in his work The Fourth Estate made the observation: "In May 1789, Louis XVI summoned to Versailles a full meeting of the 'Estates General'. The First Estate consisted of three hundred clergy. The Second Estate, three hundred nobles. The Third Estate, six hundred commoners. Some years later, after the French Revolution, Edmund Burke, looking up at the Press Gallery of the House of Commons, said, 'Yonder sits the Fourth Estate, and they are more important than them all.'"

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    I watched that show and it was clear that the test was bias. My question is who was the shooting "instructor/expert" that sold out concealed carry???
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