ABC's Shameful '20/20' Experiment-John Lott
This is a discussion on ABC's Shameful '20/20' Experiment-John Lott within the The Second Amendment & Gun Legislation Discussion forums, part of the Related Topics category; Originally Posted by grady
Very well said by John Lott. I think I'll purchase a couple of his books to show my support...
Originally Posted ...
April 20th, 2009 07:11 AM
Originally Posted by grady
May I suggest:
Originally Posted by lacrosse50
you start with More Guns, Less Crime;
followed by The Bias Against Guns;
followed by Straight Shooting: Firearms, Economics and Public Policy?
April 20th, 2009 07:21 AM
I recall one statistic that was not mentioned in this 20/20 special. I don't recall the precise source but here it is. This was from the instructor who was a Sgt. with the LVMPD that brought up this subject during the CCW class.
Only 17% of LEO's in actual shooting incidents actually hit their intended target! What does that tell you about how the "average" ccw permit holder would fair under the same circumstances.
According to this special LEO's are the most experienced people when it comes to actual shooting scenarios. And still they only hit their intended target only 17% of the time???
It makes you wonder.
Last edited by Pikachu711; April 20th, 2009 at 07:26 AM.
Reason: omitted phrase
"Gun control is being able to hit your target."
April 20th, 2009 08:27 AM
What to gain? Elimination of some guns, if they get their twisted way. And, elimination of some is better than not having tried to eliminate any.
Originally Posted by Blakestr
Of course, that won't hardly eliminate crime, not by a country mile, though they won't stoop to think that deeply about the impossibility of such a policy. It'll be seen as a victory, despite every one of their neighbors now being disarmed. It's a least-common-denominator approach to misery, and the satisfaction will be in the simple fact that everyone else will be in the same boat as they.
Ayn Rand had a few things to say about that mentality, in Atlas Shrugged.
April 20th, 2009 09:09 AM
IMO, it is all about control. They believe they are smarter than us. They believe that we should not be allowed to do something that scares them. They believe that because they get the heebie-jeebies at the mere mention of firearms that we MUST be just as susceptible to the demonic influences clearly inherent in coming into the proximity of these evil inanimate objects.
Originally Posted by ccw9mm
There is no logic in their position. If there was, they would ban the far-more-dangerous inanimate objects out there which ruin human lives far more frequently-cars, fire, Twinkies and Rosie O'Donnell.
He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain what he cannot lose. - Jim Elliott
The world is a dangerous place to live; not because of the people who are evil, but because of the people who don't do anything about it.
April 20th, 2009 11:02 AM
Don't forget Ho-Hos. They are killers!
April 20th, 2009 05:52 PM
ABC only wants to hear 500 characters.
"When the people fear the government you have tyranny...when the government fears the people you have liberty."
--Thomas Jefferson –
April 20th, 2009 07:46 PM
Originally Posted by alan93
Is your avatar picture you're dog?
I love dobie's.
I used to have a 120 lb. doberban (Spike).
He was one in a million.
"I'm not fluent in the language of violence, but I know enough to get around in places where it's spoken."
April 20th, 2009 08:20 PM
The liberal bias in the media makes most of these arguments meaningless. Even if proven wildly inaccurate, ABC/NBC/CBS/CNN would never allow it any airtime, other than to discredit it as a "biased" FOX type test.
Not saying we shouldn't fight back, it is just not enough to have one network blasting our side. If we as a culture don't hold these other networks feet to the fire, we will not see a change. The liberal media has truly become the 4th branch of the government, and obviously the ringmaster of what has become the circus of public opinion.
Don't support these stations OR their advertisers!!
NRA Life Member
April 20th, 2009 10:00 PM
Excellent article, too bad that the vast majority won't see it. It would be great to see a documentary made of it, and put on during primetime.
April 20th, 2009 10:34 PM
Originally Posted by Tom357
April 21st, 2009 02:38 AM
The term 4th branch of goverment, is an old 70's idea, atleast thats the earliest I can track it too. The First Amendment include freedom of the press, and as such the press has always been a way of keeping the guys on the Hill honest. Sadly the media, with a few exceptions, is in on the works of the people on High.
Originally Posted by DPAZ
I know not what this "overkill" means.
Honing the knives, Cleaning the longguns, Stocking up ammo.
April 21st, 2009 11:42 AM
Actually the press is usually referred to as the 4th estate. It's a phrase that started in the early 1800's.
Originally Posted by TerriLi
From: Fourth Estate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The term Fourth Estate refers to the press. The term goes back at least to Thomas Carlyle in the first half of the 19th century. Thomas Macaulay used it in 1828.
Novelist Jeffrey Archer in his work The Fourth Estate made the observation: "In May 1789, Louis XVI summoned to Versailles a full meeting of the 'Estates General'. The First Estate consisted of three hundred clergy. The Second Estate, three hundred nobles. The Third Estate, six hundred commoners. Some years later, after the French Revolution, Edmund Burke, looking up at the Press Gallery of the House of Commons, said, 'Yonder sits the Fourth Estate, and they are more important than them all.'"
April 23rd, 2009 01:55 AM
I watched that show and it was clear that the test was bias. My question is who was the shooting "instructor/expert" that sold out concealed carry???
"Arms in the hands of individual citizens may be used at individual discretion..in private self defense." John Adams
June 22nd, 2015 03:43 PM
They had to have the carry victim wear gloves and a helmet so the instructor could find them. I bet they did it randomly and the instructor got hit, so they evened it up (fair and balanced?) so the instructor could prevail.
I wish the NRA would do a repeat of this scenario with randomness and using trained ccw holders.
June 22nd, 2015 03:48 PM
It's a miracle!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Risen from the dead!!!!!!
Please let this 6 year old thread die in peace!
Unless, that is, you have some more current information, or a follow-up to Mr Lott's material.
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