Fed Lawsuit Filed Against Napolitano Over Extremism Policy

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    Quote Originally Posted by mlr1m View Post
    Has anyone actually been harmed?
    Yes, in many ways. For starters she has slandered many of us.

    Slander -noun, -also verb: a malicious, false, and defamatory statement or report: a slander against his good name.
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    And now there's more to it:

    The FBI was actually targeting veterans during a probe of extremist groups according to memos sent out to field offices, back in February.

    Veterans a Focus of FBI Extremist Probe - WSJ.com
    Last edited by matiki; April 17th, 2009 at 10:40 AM. Reason: changed 'veterans groups' to 'veterans' - mistyped during original editing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by matiki View Post
    And now there's more to it:

    The FBI was actually targeting veterans groups during a probe of extremist groups according to memos sent out to field offices, back in February.

    Veterans a Focus of FBI Extremist Probe - WSJ.com

    Uh...what veteran's groups...VFW? AFA? Armor? 82nd ABN? I think you need to read a bit closer...

    "The FBI said in the memo that its conclusion about a surge in such activities was based on confidential sources, undercover operations, reporting from other law-enforcement agencies and publicly available information. The memo said the main goal of the multipronged operation was to get a better handle on "the scope of this emerging threat." The operation also seeks to identify gaps in intelligence efforts surrounding these groups and their leaders."

    and...

    "The aim of the FBI's effort with the Defense Department, which was rolled into the Vigilant Eagle program, is to "share information regarding Iraqi and Afghanistan war veterans whose involvement in white supremacy and/or militia sovereign citizen extremist groups poses a domestic terrorism threat,"

    FBI's job to seek out the BGs...especially those that seek to harm our country and our way of life. Hate groups have no place in our society.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bandit383 View Post
    Uh...what veteran's groups...VFW? AFA? Armor? 82nd ABN? I think you need to read a bit closer...

    "The memos say the FBI's focus on veterans began as far back as December, during the final weeks of the Bush administration, when the bureau's domestic counterterrorism division formed a special joint working group with the Defense Department."

    "The FBI said in the memo that its conclusion about a surge in such activities was based on confidential sources, undercover operations, reporting from other law-enforcement agencies and publicly available information. The memo said the main goal of the multipronged operation was to get a better handle on "the scope of this emerging threat." The operation also seeks to identify gaps in intelligence efforts surrounding these groups and their leaders."

    and...

    "The aim of the FBI's effort with the Defense Department, which was rolled into the Vigilant Eagle program, is to "share information regarding Iraqi and Afghanistan war veterans whose involvement in white supremacy and/or militia sovereign citizen extremist groups poses a domestic terrorism threat,"

    FBI's job to seek out the BGs...especially those that seek to harm our country and our way of life. Hate groups have no place in our society.

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    I fixed the cherry picked quote (in bold). They are looking at Veterans, but not groups. I stand corrected for my mistyped original message.

    I agree that hate groups have no place in our society. But contrary to your position, the investigation was not of just hate groups, but extremist groups. And as we've seen, an awful lot of people are now considered extremist, not just hate groups.

    The separate DHS assessment, leaked this week after being sent to law-enforcement agencies, said the "willingness of a small percentage of military personnel to join extremist groups during the 1990s because they were disgruntled, disillusioned or suffering from the psychological effects of war is being replicated today." Veterans could draw special attention, the report said, because of their advanced training.
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    Quote Originally Posted by matiki View Post
    I fixed the cherry picked quote (in bold). They are looking at Veterans, but not groups. I stand corrected for my mistyped original message.

    I agree that hate groups have no place in our society. But contrary to your position, the investigation was not of just hate groups, but extremist groups. And as we've seen, an awful lot of people are now considered extremist, not just hate groups.
    I'm listening...what "extremist groups"?...group names please. What people?? I haven't read the name of one extremist group mentioned.

    As for veterans...and I am one...I know full well that there exists hate groups in the military, there is a long history of domestic terrorism, and that many terrorist acts had military backgrounds. To me...just because one is a veteran doesn't make them a saint. In the same token...because one is a veteran...they themselves should attempt to uphold themselves to the highest standards of conduct.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bandit383 View Post
    I'm listening...what "extremist groups"?...group names please. What people?? I haven't read the name of one extremist group mentioned.

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    You alleged that they were only looking at hate groups. I corrected you.

    Here is your own quote of the article:

    "The aim of the FBI's effort with the Defense Department, which was rolled into the Vigilant Eagle program, is to "share information regarding Iraqi and Afghanistan war veterans whose involvement in white supremacy and/or militia sovereign citizen extremist groups poses a domestic terrorism threat,"
    Further, the DHS "assessment" defines rightwing extremism as such:

    Rightwing extremism in the United States can be broadly divided into those groups, movements, and adherents that are primarily hate-oriented (based on hatred of particular religious, racial or ethnic groups), and those that are mainly antigovernment, rejecting federal authority in favor of state or local authority, or rejecting government authority entirely. It may include groups and individuals that are dedicated to a single issue, such as opposition to abortion or immigration.
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    Quote Originally Posted by matiki View Post
    You alleged that they were only looking at hate groups. I corrected you.

    Here is your own quote of the article:



    Further, the DHS "assessment" defines rightwing extremism as such:
    Yep...let me see now...it appears more "reading up on history" is necessary. Hummm...I seem to recall a number of abortion clinic bombings that killed a number of innocent people.

    Watchout...they are out to get you for sure :)) Still waiting on extremist group names that you seem to think have been specifically named.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bandit383 View Post
    Yep...let me see now...it appears more "reading up on history" is necessary. Hummm...I seem to recall a number of abortion clinic bombings that killed a number of innocent people.

    Watchout...they are out to get you for sure :)) Still waiting on extremist group names that you seem to think have been specifically named.

    Rick
    I'm not interested in building a straw man argument for you. I never said anything about specific extremist groups, only you have. You are making a fallacious argument. Further, not all anti-abortion groups are violent, but I'm sure that's not what you meant to say.
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    This would be like prosecuting me for knowing somebody who knew somebody, who lived next to somebody who committed a crime.
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    These reports are purposefully vague and use terms like "extremist groups" so as not to provide grounds for lawsuits by specific groups. In the eyes of many in the Obama administration, and many of the 60 million or so that voted for him, our views (those that frequent this form) are extreme.

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    I gotta agree with bandit to a point here - there are Vets out there that came in, got training, went overseas, came home, and got out that have some messed up views (just like the rest of society) the difference between many of these vets and thier deranged civilian counterparts is training. Sure any one can get online and learn how to make a bomb - but some of these guys learn how to shoot, move and communicate - they learn ambush tactics and manuever warfare.... It is the same problem as the military members who came from gangs to learn how to fight so they could take it back to the street.

    ON THE OTHER HAND - this wide labeling of right wing activities as extremism?!?!? is a bunch of cow poo. I am glad to see this lawsuit, the federal gov. doesnt need ANOTHER reason to go after hate groups, it is something they already do. No room for racism in America.
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    There's no room in America for hate groups? That's what this lawsuit is all about. Keep in mind that the federal government just singled out a wide group of people that are going to hate it when they pass their gun control laws.

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    That's nice. Go to war for America to fight against terrorism. Come back not to a hero's welcome, but to be spit on by the federal government as a terrorist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dldeuce View Post
    That's nice. Go to war for America to fight against terrorism. Come back not to a hero's welcome, but to be spit on by the federal government as a terrorist.
    Ya right...you have no idea what spitting on is. Nor it sounds like you have ever attended a welcome home celebration from Iraq/Afgan. This is in the get a grip category.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bandit383 View Post
    I'm listening...what "extremist groups"?...group names please. What people?? I haven't read the name of one extremist group mentioned.

    As for veterans...and I am one...I know full well that there exists hate groups in the military, there is a long history of domestic terrorism, and that many terrorist acts had military backgrounds. To me...just because one is a veteran doesn't make them a saint. In the same token...because one is a veteran...they themselves should attempt to uphold themselves to the highest standards of conduct.

    Rick
    I'm confused why you have your panties in a wad.

    Anti-abortion groups like National Right to Life.
    Bible Prophecy groups like Rapture Ready.
    Pro gun groups like NRA.

    Are you against illegal immigration? Are you a member of Numbers USA or The Heritage Foundation? You're a right-wing extremist.

    Ever attended a tactical training course (CCW permit holders)? You're considered a right-wing extremist.

    Anyone with military training....potential right-wing extremist.

    Anyone who opposes the current administration...potential domestic terrorist.

    Napoleon managed to insult millions of good, law-abiding citizens.

    I'm glad she's being sued.

    Napoleon needs to resign.
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