This is a discussion on Why Dont Liberals get it? within the The Second Amendment & Gun Legislation Discussion forums, part of the Related Topics category; Originally Posted by Saber It’s been my experience that liberals don’t like facts and will defy basic logic. If you think this is exclusive to ...
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Last edited by highvoltage; April 17th, 2009 at 03:43 PM.
Then my uncle asked me what would I do if someone kicked in the door to my home and threatened me or my family...what would I do? At the time, all I could argue was that it wouldn't happen, never about what I would do if it did.
Just ask them what would they do...you'll find that fear is a common ground of all people...
anti-gun people have this notion that the stricter the gun laws, the safe America/public will be. They don't understand that GUN laws only affect law bidden citizens, criminals will always get GUNS.
As a retired officer, i always felt the more good guys/girls with GUNS, the better.
Anti gun people are people who want to feel good about having good intentions. When it comes to protecting the public and keeping America Safe, they do NOTHING.
The only answer that I can come up with is 'stupidity', and that's difficult to fix.
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A) "I know it doesn't seem right, but believe it or not, guns don't really cause crime, here's some facts..."
B) "You're just a stupid socialist sheeple!!!11!!!"
Does the other side use that kind of rhetoric? Yeah, and they aren't changing minds either. I can assure you, anti-gun people can change, usually through experience with sane gun owners rather than being told how stupid they are. It's much like many historic forms of bigotry. They were/are largely based on ignorance, and once people became exposed to [insert vilified group here] and realized that they were just people, the walls came down.
And yeah, it's amazing seeing how some (and I emphasize some) lose all sense of logic or even simple business sense when dealing with this issue. I was at a range/store not too long ago. It was packed, and I'm in a fairly liberal region, so it's a lock that there had to be a few non-conservatives there in addition to me. One of the sales people was loudly talking about how many people with Obama buttons or shirts had bought guns recently and how freaking stupid they were. I sat there thinking, "In what other business does it make any sense to be talking about how dumb your customers are, in front of customers?!" Did it not occur to him that maybe those Obama supporters weren't one issue voters? That maybe they ranked other issues higher? Two of the best friends the pro-gun side has right now, Montana senators Baucus and tester, were enthusiastic Obama supporters.
I never said that all of my decisions are based on logic. I said that their decisions are "ruled" by emotion. I was pointing out the predominant feature in their thought process, not the only feature.
Whenever I hear some of my liberal friends talking about how rational they/Democrats/politically left/whatever are, I point them to about half the content on the Huffington Post. Particularly anything to do with science and medicine. I can easily do the same with conservatives.
It's a very common tendency with all humans to become set in an option, and no amount of logic, evidence, or reasoning can change that.
Imagine for example you have a boss who has an idea for a new way of doing things. Let's say this way has been tried before and has been proven ineffective. A reasonable person would listen to his employees and review past performance under similar conditions. The unreasonable person would ignore history, ignore the advice of others, implement the new plan, and when the new plan failed blame other factors.
At some point in their lives, people will latch on to an idea and never let go.
The idea of firearm limitation is actually logical to an extent. Follow along with me:
First, they see acts of violence committed by people with guns.
They compare this to acts of violence committed by people without guns.
They conclude that the presence of a firearm enhances the effectiveness of the actor (this is true, and why we carry as well).
They are unwilling to be violent in their own defense.
Their only chance of survival, is to only encounter acts of violence from unarmed people.
They conclude that by removing firearms, all acts of violence would be less potent.
At this point, the decision is made, and all further analysis ends.
The reasonable person would continue the logical thread to include methods of removing the weapons, and the effectiveness of those methods. They would look into previous weapon bans to determine their effect. They would look at bans of other products (alcohol, drugs) for parallels.
I guess the solution is early pro-gun indoctrination. This of course would be contrary to the free-thinking society we aspire to.
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Before you run off to find links with quotes proving me wrong, consider this. Yes, they exist, but they aren't the norm. It's much like how I could go to some gun forums and within 60 seconds, find the most vile, racist, paranoid garbage imaginable. It's idiotic to characterize that as being from a typical gun owner, and the same goes on the other side of the fence.
When we see anti-gun people, whether in the media or in person, characterize us as blood thirsty, end of the world, racist whack jobs, how do we react? We rightly ignore such idiocy, maybe we dig in, but one thing we don't do is take that person or their argument seriously.
Now ask yourself what an anti-gun person thinks when we characterize him as being a facist/Marxist/socialist/Nazi who wants to hand our country to the U.N.
I would like to ask Brady one thing ..... what law, do you think would have kept Hinkley from shooting ? There is NOT ONE .... his actions were all illegal, and it didn't stop him. It never will stop 'crazy' folk or criminals, so we might as well be prepared to defend ourselves from them.
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I don't want to offend any dog owners but it is my belief that liberals are a lot like cockerspaniels. You could explain the imagery in Shakespeare to a cockerspaniel and it will look at you with seemingly rapt attention, appearing to understand. When you are done, however, all the response you will get is "woof". A cockerspaniel is a dog and dogs do have limitations.
You can explain all about gun rights, history, and freedom to a liberal and they will look at you with that very same rapt attention and appear to really understand. When you are done you will ask what they learned and you will be told "I don't like guns. You can't have one". Liberals, like cockerspaniels, have limitations.