Why Dont Liberals get it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TerriLi View Post
    BAC, if you are going to quote me, quote all I said in a post. Not a snippet.
    None of that changes my reply, hence why I omitted it. The desire to ram one's view of the world down the throats of others is not exclusive to any group of people or political ideologies. Whether you identify with a liberal philosophical/political ideology or not has no bearing on this.


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    BAC, do you have an original thought rather than only a link to a dry, dictionary definition to refute the notion? Or are you more interested in "intellectual" gainsaying?
    Given what I've read here, it is apparently quite an original thought to take the time to look closely at the groups of people others here are so willing to throw under the bus. I suppose that should suffice for an answer to your first question.

    I'm more interested in seeing if you have any evidence to support claims I'm calling BS on. If you're going to make a claim, the onus is on you to prove it. To date, you have not done this. If well-established philosophical/political minds and their writings are discounted as so much "dry, dictionary definition" and "intellectual gainsaying", then you show yourself not to be interested at all in actually proving, much less supporting, your claims.

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    I'm quite shocked by the divisiveness of this thread. Liberalism has more in common with the participants of this thread than it does with those whom have been mislabeled liberals by those same participants. Liberalism is a philosophy that recognizes liberties, and within that philosophy there are disagreements over how to achieve these liberties. Like conservatism, there are schisms that distinguish the different lines of thought within the movement.

    Not everyone who identifies themselves as a liberal is a liberal, just as not all who identify themselves as conservative is conservative.

    Some of us seem to be using liberal as a convenient way to describe anyone who disagrees with us. Many of the talking heads, political pundits and the like do this on a regular basis. This serves their purpose, they are able to stoke anger, fear, and resentment of an entire class of people we do not identify with. The problem is, we not only don't identify with them, when pressed to really examine what we're saying, we can't identify them at all.
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    Good point matiki, but I think the liberalism philosophy that recognizes liberties is more deeply root in libertarians than "liberals."

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    I don't think I can put it any better than matiki did. Well said.


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    This thread isn't divisive at all except for a few inane questions, however it is off track.

    Some here would probably argue that the adjective "gay" is defined as : lighthearted and carefree, characterized by cheerfulness or pleasure, brightly colored; showy; brilliant. They would be perfectly correct, however failing to recognize present day usage.

    "Liberal" has a commonly understood meaning in America, and in that context it is wrong-headed thinking that needs to be confronted.


    Cutting through the mush; one may know right from wrong. And yes, it may be determined exactly what and who is wrong with America! It is high time to "throw some under the bus."

    I am grateful that more and more folks are speaking out against the leftist attempts to redefine right and wrong with our nation.

    Today's liberals don't intend to get it because they have another agenda.
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    If you mention to a liberal that the world is not a nice place they will blame it on people like us because we want our guns. If you mention to a liberal that gun bans do not work they will just blame it on the fact that guns are still available in other states so gun bans do not have a chance to work. If you mention to a liberal that someone with a gun might save their life one day they will not agree with you. If you mention to a liberal that 200,000 women a year are not victimized because they were armed they will not beleive you. I could go on and on. Most liberals are cowards. I do not mean that as an insult but of a way of life. They are scared of being hurt or dieing. It is all about them. They do not think about others as much as they do themselves. You ask any liberal why they support something they will allways come back with "how does this effect you" They see everything on a personal level.

    It's not that they do not get it, they don't even see it.

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    How "liberal" or "conservative" are you?

    Take the quiz:

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    Hey Patti, fun quiz! A bit simplistic but instructive.

    Here's my results.


    How Liberal Or Conservative Are You?
    You Are 95% Conservative, 5% Liberal
    Social Issues: 100% Conservative, 0% Liberal

    Personal Responsibility: 100% Conservative, 0% Liberal

    Fiscal Issues: 100% Conservative, 0% Liberal

    Ethics: 75% Conservative, 25% Liberal

    Defense and Crime: 100% Conservative, 0% Liberal
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    Quote Originally Posted by bmcgilvray View Post
    Hey Patti, fun quiz! A bit simplistic but instructive.

    Here's my results.


    How Liberal Or Conservative Are You?
    You Are 95% Conservative, 5% Liberal
    Social Issues: 100% Conservative, 0% Liberal

    Personal Responsibility: 100% Conservative, 0% Liberal

    Fiscal Issues: 100% Conservative, 0% Liberal

    Ethics: 75% Conservative, 25% Liberal

    Defense and Crime: 100% Conservative, 0% Liberal
    Ditto.
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    I'm close:

    Social Issues: 75% Conservative, 25% Liberal
    Personal Responsibility: 100% Conservative, 0% Liberal
    Fiscal Issues: 100% Conservative, 0% Liberal
    Ethics: 75% Conservative, 25% Liberal
    Defense and Crime: 100% Conservative, 0% Liberal

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    Matiki, well said and spot on

    Quote Originally Posted by matiki View Post
    I'm quite shocked by the divisiveness of this thread.

    Some of us seem to be using liberal as a convenient way to describe anyone who disagrees with us. Many of the talking heads, political pundits and the like do this on a regular basis. This serves their purpose,
    I'm actually not shocked by the divisiveness on this thread. I'm shocked by the fact that this divisiveness is driven by the entertainers and shock talk propagandistic liars who would (can't use the word) this country so long as they get enhanced ratings--and that they even get audience. The more outlandish the better as far as the entertainers are concerned. Why anyone takes what they say as serious commentary is beyond me.
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    Well said Hopyard.

    If you were a girl I'd ask you out...lol. I like the way that you think.

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    You are 50% Conservative / 50% Liberal

    Social Issues: 50% Conservative, 50% Liberal

    Personal Responsibility: 25% Conservative, 75% Liberal

    Fiscal Issues: 75% Conservative, 25% Liberal

    Ethics: 0% Conservative, 100% Liberal

    Defense and Crime: 100% Conservative, 0% Liberal

    So what am I, a Conservative/Liberal or a Liberal/Conservative ? IMO, labeling people is stupid,people are much too complex for labels.
    I was not sure what to put for the No Child Left Behind / Voucher question. I'm not familiar with it at all. I'm one of the lucky ones that shoots blanks.
    Some of the questions were too black or white...I was more to the middle on some topics but the test only had the yes/no type options.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Landor View Post
    If you mention to a liberal that the world is not a nice place they will blame it on people like us because we want our guns. If you mention to a liberal that gun bans do not work they will just blame it on the fact that guns are still available in other states so gun bans do not have a chance to work. If you mention to a liberal that someone with a gun might save their life one day they will not agree with you. If you mention to a liberal that 200,000 women a year are not victimized because they were armed they will not beleive you. I could go on and on. Most liberals are cowards. I do not mean that as an insult but of a way of life. They are scared of being hurt or dieing. It is all about them. They do not think about others as much as they do themselves. You ask any liberal why they support something they will allways come back with "how does this effect you" They see everything on a personal level.

    It's not that they do not get it, they don't even see it.
    Curious what drove you to those thoughts?? How did you develope this view...TV, papers, encounters, parents, girlfriend etc? To call liberals "cowards"...pretty strong words which leads me to believe that you are young. Abraham Lincoln would be considered a liberal, FDR, JFK and I suspect, many many people that are fighting in Iraq/Afgan. "Thinking of themselves/personal level"...I believe you need a mirror.

    Matki/BAC/HopyardPNUT...well stated. It should never degrade to an US against THEM or THEM vs US (Conservative/Liberal)...but sadly, it sells and poisons the well...America.

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    One good liberal-defining link deserves another.

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