Next step? No guns allowed for right-wing 'extremists'

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    Saturday, May 09, 2009
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    Bill empowers attorney general to forbid firearms for those 'suspected dangerous'
    Posted: May 09, 2009
    12:10 am Eastern

    By Drew Zahn
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    Rep. Peter King, R-N.Y.

    A new gun law being considered in Congress, if aligned with Department of Homeland Security memos labeling everyday Americans as potential "threats," could potentially deny firearms to pro-lifers, gun-rights advocates, tax protesters, animal rights activists, and a host of others any already on the expansive DHS watch list for potential "extremism."

    Rep. Peter King, R-N.Y., has sponsored H.R. 2159, the Denying Firearms and Explosives to Dangerous Terrorists Act of 2009, which permits the attorney general to deny transfer of a firearm to any "known or suspected dangerous terrorist." The bill requires only that the potential firearm transferee is "appropriately suspected" of preparing for a terrorist act and that the attorney general "has a reasonable belief" that the gun might be used in connection with terrorism.

    Gun rights advocates, however, object to the bill's language, arguing that it enables the federal government to suspend a person's Second Amendment rights without any trial or legal proof and only upon suspicion of being "dangerous."

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    "[Rep. King] would deny citizens their civil liberties based on no due process," objected Larry Pratt, executive director of Gun Owners of America. "A 'known terrorist?' Look, if the guy has committed an act of terrorism, we shouldn't have to worry about him being able to buy a gun; he should be in jail!"

    Pratt further warned WND of the potential overlap of H.R. 2159 and a recent DHS memo that warned against potential violence from "right-wing extremists," such as those concerned about illegal immigration, increasing federal power, restrictions on firearms, abortion and the loss of U.S. sovereignty.

    "By those standards, I'm one of [DHS Secretary] Janet Napolitano's terrorists," Pratt said. "This bill would enable the attorney general to put all of the people who voted against Obama on no-gun lists, because according to the DHS, they're all potential terrorists. Actually, we could rename this bill the Janet Napolitano Frenzied Fantasy Implementation Act of 2009."

    Pratt's biggest concern, however, is the sidestepping of the Constitution and due process that the nebulous language of this bill could permit.

    "Unbeknownst to us, some bureaucrat in the bowels of democracy can put your name on a list, and your Second Amendment rights are toast," Pratt told WND. "This is such an anti-American bill, this is something King George III would have done."

    As WND reported, right-wing "extremists" aren't the only Americans on the DHS watch list.

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    Two weeks before the U.S. Department of Homeland Security penned its now notorious warning against "right-wing extremists" in the United States, it generated a memo defining dozens of additional groups as potential "threats."

    That memo, the "Domestic Extremism Lexicon" expanded the list from typical "right-wing" causes to include left-wing extremism, animal rights activists, black separatists, anarchists, Cuban independence advocates, environmental extremists, the anti-war movement and more. It even insisted some of these groups were prone to violence.

    For example, the lexicon defined the "tax resistance movement" also referred to in the report as the tax protest movement or the tax freedom movement as "groups or individuals who vehemently believe taxes violate their constitutional rights. Among their beliefs are that wages are not income, that paying income taxes is voluntary, and that the 16th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution, which allowed Congress to levy taxes on income, was not properly ratified."

    It further states that tax protesters "have been known to advocate or engage in criminal activity and plot acts of violence and terrorism in an attempt to advance their extremist goals."

    The DHS memos were meant for distribution to law enforcement officials around the country, prompting some to worry the definitions might be used to classify Americans who simply disagree with government policies as being dangerous.

    As WND reported, the relative of a Louisiana driver claims her brother-in-law has already been unfairly targeted by police simply for having a supposedly subversive, "Don't Tread on Me" bumper sticker on his car.

    According to the relative, it happened this way: Her brother-in-law was driving home from work through Ball, La., which has a local reputation for enhancing its budget by ticketing speeders. He was pulled over by police officers who told him "he had a subversive survivalist bumper sticker on his car."

    "They proceeded to keep him there on the side of the road while they ran whatever they do to see if you have a record, keeping him standing by the side of the road for 30 minutes," she told WND.

    Finding no record and no reason to keep him, they warned him and eventually let him go, she said.

    WND has withheld the driver's name and the relative's name at their request.

    H.R. 2159 has six co-sponsors, from both parties, and has been referred to the House Committee on the Judiciary.

    WND contacted Rep. King's office for comment on the bill, but received no response.
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    Wow. I smell something...like something that came from the back of a horse....

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    I have an NRA bumper sticker on my truck but I live in the part of Maine where
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    This may be re-run, but it seems to fit in here nicely...

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    Please note the political party of Mr. King- R

    Quote Originally Posted by ExSoldier View Post
    Saturday, May 09, 2009
    HOMELAND INSECURITY
    WorldNetDaily Exclusive

    Bill empowers attorney general to forbid firearms for those 'suspected dangerous'
    Posted: May 09, 2009
    12:10 am Eastern

    By Drew Zahn
    WorldNetDaily


    Rep. Peter King, R-N.Y.

    A new gun law being considered in Congress, if aligned with Department of Homeland Security memos labeling everyday Americans as potential "threats," could potentially deny firearms to pro-lifers, gun-rights advocates, tax protesters, animal rights activists, and a host of others any already on the expansive DHS watch list for potential "extremism."

    Rep. Peter King, R-N.Y., has sponsored H.R. 2159, the Denying Firearms and Explosives to Dangerous Terrorists Act of 2009,
    Please note the political affiliation of the sponsor. Another R in favor of ignoring due process.

    I've been saying here for quite some time that the "gun rights" issue is not owned by one side.

    This of course will go nowhere. It is just posturing by King to his Staten Island, N Y (I think that is who he represents) constituents.

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    This of course will go nowhere. It is just posturing by King to his Staten Island, N Y (I think that is who he represents) constituents


    What it does do is illustrate the absurdity of some politicians.

    The foxes are guarding the henhouse. How much crazier can things get?

    H.R. 2159 has six co-sponsors, from both parties, and has been referred to the House Committee on the Judiciary.
    Just goes to show that the fools are everywhere.

    And the cops that pulled him over?
    According to the relative, it happened this way: Her brother-in-law was driving home from work through Ball, La., which has a local reputation for enhancing its budget by ticketing speeders. He was pulled over by police officers who told him "he had a subversive survivalist bumper sticker on his car."
    Instant lawsuit. I cant beleive that they were dumb enough to tell someone that they had a subversive survivalist bumper sticker on their car. No where is that against the law. The driver will get rich and the cops will be selling pencils on the street corner.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HotGuns View Post
    What it does do is illustrate the absurdity of some politicians.

    The foxes are guarding the henhouse. How much crazier can things get?


    Just goes to show that the fools are everywhere.

    And the cops that pulled him over?


    Instant lawsuit. I cant beleive that they were dumb enough to tell someone that they had a subversive survivalist bumper sticker on their car. No where is that against the law. The driver will get rich and the cops will be selling pencils on the street corner.
    If you really want an answer to that...stick around for 20 more years... This are panning out to be downright nasty in short order.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hopyard View Post
    Please note the political affiliation of the sponsor. Another R in favor of ignoring due process.

    I've been saying here for quite some time that the "gun rights" issue is not owned by one side.

    This of course will go nowhere. It is just posturing by King to his Staten Island, N Y (I think that is who he represents) constituents.
    Irregardless of party affiliation, we should keep a sharp eye on our politicians.....ALL of them.

    I seriously doubt this will make it to the floor for a vote.

    These 6 fools should be ran out of town for gross incompetence.
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    Funny that this isnt a Right of Left issue. Both sides have gone insane.

    Funny, Ive stopped worrying. Though I do my part by writing my legislators and more, Im tired of worrying about my guns.

    Come get em. I will die a free man.

    I agree with Patti though. I doubt it even gets to a vote.
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    Patti,
    I agree with you. We have to keep them ALL under a close watch. Don't discount any "plot" or "plan" coming out of the Washington DC bunch....any party.
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    No, it won't come to a vote now.

    At least I don't think it will, but I could be wrong. What worries me is that things like this will be commonplace with the next two generations. Look at the crap we have to put up with today. It all started in the 1960's and 1970's.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BikerRN View Post
    No, it won't come to a vote now.

    At least I don't think it will, but I could be wrong. What worries me is that things like this will be commonplace with the next two generations. Look at the crap we have to put up with today. It all started in the 1960's and 1970's.

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    Well there is already no guns for left-wing 'extremists!' By personal choice of course so why not extend to the right.
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    Quote Originally Posted by doobie View Post
    Well there is already no guns for left-wing 'extremists!' By personal choice of course so why not extend to the right.
    The people they describe as "right wing extremists" are for the most part, merely folks with whom they do not agree politically. People who actually commit acts of violence and destruction are forbidden guns under the laws we already have. This is a scheme to disarm political opponents without due process. It is an outrage, practically Stalinist.
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