H.R. 2159, The Denying Firearms and Explosives to Dangerous Terrorists Act of 2009

H.R. 2159, The Denying Firearms and Explosives to Dangerous Terrorists Act of 2009

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    H.R. 2159, The Denying Firearms and Explosives to Dangerous Terrorists Act of 2009

    WashingtonWatch.com - H.R. 2159, The Denying Firearms and Explosives to Dangerous Terrorists Act of 2009

    H.R. 2159 would increase public safety by permitting the Attorney General to deny the transfer of a firearm or the issuance of firearms or explosives licenses to a known or suspected dangerous terrorist
    Bill empowers attorney general to forbid firearms for those 'suspected dangerous'

    Combine this with Napolitano's right-wing extremist report, and this is a dangerous combination. I trust these people about as far as I can throw them.

    What I'd like to do is throw them out of office.

    By Drew Zahn
    © 2009 WorldNetDaily


    Rep. Peter King, R-N.Y.

    A new gun law being considered in Congress, if aligned with Department of Homeland Security
    memos labeling everyday Americans as potential "threats," could potentially deny firearms to pro-lifers, gun-rights advocates, tax protesters, animal rights activists, and a host of others – any already on the expansive DHS watch list for potential "extremism."

    Rep. Peter King, R-N.Y., has sponsored H.R. 2159, the Denying Firearms and Explosives to Dangerous Terrorists Act of 2009, which permits the attorney general to deny transfer of a firearm to any "known or suspected dangerous terrorist." The bill requires only that the potential firearm transferee is "appropriately suspected" of preparing for a terrorist act and that the attorney general "has a reasonable belief" that the gun might be used in connection with terrorism.

    Gun rights advocates, however, object to the bill's language, arguing that it enables the federal government to suspend a person's Second Amendment rights without any trial or legal proof and only upon suspicion of being "dangerous."

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    "[Rep. King] would deny citizens their civil liberties based on no due process," objected Larry Pratt, executive director of Gun Owners of America. "A 'known terrorist?' Look, if the guy has committed an act of terrorism, we shouldn't have to worry about him being able to buy a gun; he should be in jail!"

    Pratt further warned WND of the potential overlap of H.R. 2159 and a recent DHS memo that warned against potential violence from "right-wing extremists," such as those concerned about illegal immigration, increasing federal power, restrictions on firearms, abortion and the loss of U.S. sovereignty.

    "By those standards, I'm one of [DHS Secretary] Janet Napolitano's terrorists," Pratt said. "This bill would enable the attorney general to put all of the people who voted against Obama
    on no-gun lists, because according to the DHS, they're all potential terrorists. Actually, we could rename this bill the Janet Napolitano Frenzied Fantasy Implementation Act of 2009."

    Pratt's biggest concern, however, is the sidestepping of the Constitution and due process that the nebulous language of this bill could permit.

    "Unbeknownst to us, some bureaucrat in the bowels of democracy can put your name on a list, and your Second Amendment rights are toast," Pratt told WND. "This is such an anti-American bill, this is something King George III would have done."

    As WND reported, right-wing "extremists" aren't the only Americans on the DHS watch list.
    Two weeks before the U.S. Department of Homeland Security
    penned its now notorious warning against "right-wing extremists" in the United States, it generated a memo defining dozens of additional groups as potential "threats."

    That memo, the "Domestic Extremism Lexicon" expanded the list from typical "right-wing" causes to include left-wing extremism, animal rights activists, black separatists, anarchists, Cuban independence advocates, environmental extremists, the anti-war movement and more. It even insisted some of these groups were prone to violence.

    For example, the lexicon defined the "tax resistance movement" – also referred to in the report as the tax protest movement or the tax freedom movement – as "groups or individuals who vehemently believe taxes violate their constitutional rights. Among their beliefs are that wages are not income
    , that paying income taxes is voluntary, and that the 16th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution, which allowed Congress to levy taxes on income, was not properly ratified."

    It further states that tax protesters "have been known to advocate or engage in criminal activity and plot acts of violence and terrorism in an attempt to advance their extremist goals."

    The DHS memos were meant for distribution to law enforcement officials around the country, prompting some to worry the definitions might be used to classify Americans who simply disagree with government policies as being dangerous.

    As WND reported, the relative of a Louisiana driver claims her brother-in-law has already been unfairly targeted by police simply for having a supposedly subversive, "Don't Tread on Me" bumper sticker on his car.

    According to the relative, it happened this way: Her brother-in-law was driving home from work through Ball, La., which has a local reputation for enhancing its budget by ticketing speeders. He was pulled over by police officers who told him "he had a subversive survivalist bumper sticker on his car."

    "They proceeded to keep him there on the side of the road while they ran whatever they do to see if you have a record, keeping him standing by the side of the road for 30 minutes," she told WND.

    Finding no record and no reason to keep him, they warned him and eventually let him go, she said.

    WND has withheld the driver's name and the relative's name at their request.

    H.R. 2159 has six co-sponsors, from both parties, and has been referred to the House Committee on the Judiciary.
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    Patti had a double-tap... LOL
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    We know who the AG thinks are terrorists now don't we.
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    Here's the bill:

    Search Results - THOMAS (Library of Congress)

    Does anyone know what an "inconsiderate threat" is?

    This is gun control by subterfuge.

    H.R. 2159 would allow the Attorney General to deny firearms to anyone who is "suspected of," or "potentially", a terrorist! No criminal act or criminal conviction required.
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    Need more ammo.
    I know not what this "overkill" means.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PointnClick View Post
    Patti had a double-tap... LOL
    Oops.

    My bad.

    Here's another article:

    House Bill Aims to Strip “Rightwing Extremists” of Second Amendment Right

    House Bill Aims to Strip “Rightwing Extremists” of Second Amendment Right

    Kurt Nimmo
    Infowars
    May 9, 2009

    A sinister bill working its way through the House may eventually serve as a companion piece to the Department of Homeland Security’s “Rightwing Extremist” report that labels veterans and advocates of the Second Amendment as dangerous terrorists — H.R. 2159, The Denying Firearms and Explosives to Dangerous Terrorists Act of 2009, sponsored by Rep. Peter King of New York.

    The bill would “increase public safety by permitting the Attorney General to deny the transfer of a firearm or the issuance of firearms or explosives licenses to a known or suspected dangerous terrorist.”

    On April 29, with little fanfare or corporate media coverage, H.R. 2159 was introduced and referred to the House Committee on the Judiciary. The bill would “increase public safety by permitting the Attorney General to deny the transfer of a firearm or the issuance of firearms or explosives licenses to a known or suspected dangerous terrorist.” The entire bill can be read on the Govtrack website.

    A similar bill was introduced in the Senate in 2007 but did not make it out of committee.

    As noted above, the DHS has compiled a long list of folks the government considers terrorists. The bill, if enacted, would allow the attorney general, a documented gun-grabber, to deny millions of Americans due process. “[Rep. King] would deny citizens their civil liberties based on no due process,” Larry Pratt, executive director of Gun Owners of America, tells WorldNetDaily.

    Pratt worries that the new bill will be used in conjunction with the DHS “Rightwing Extremism” report. “By those standards, I’m one of [DHS Secretary] Janet Napolitano’s terrorists,” Pratt continues. “This bill would enable the attorney general to put all of the people who voted against Obama on no-gun lists, because according to the DHS, they’re all potential terrorists. Actually, we could rename this bill the Janet Napolitano Frenzied Fantasy Implementation Act of 2009.”

    On May 1, 2009, Infowars reported on the existence of another DHS document, the “Domestic Extremism Lexicon.” It adds more suspected terrorists to the government’s list, including people working in the alternative media, anarchists, pro-life activists, skinheads, lone terrorists, members of the militia movement, “decentralized” terrorists, and others.

    The DHS reports were distributed to “federal, state, local, and tribal counterterrorism and law enforcement officials so they may effectively deter, prevent, preempt, or respond to terrorist attacks against the United States.”

    Earlier this week, a man was stopped in Louisiana and detained by police for the crime of displaying a “Don’t tread one me” bumper sticker on his car. A background check was conducted to determine whether he was a member of an “extremist” group, according to The American Vision website. “Don’t tread on me” was originally displayed on a flag designed by general and statesman Christopher Gadsden during the Revolutionary War. It is depicted as a terrorist symbol in the DHS “Rightwing Extremist” report.
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    This is just one of the many ways they are going to strip us of our rights and freedoms. The United States Constitution is set in stone, and our government is slowly chipping away at it.
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    Looks like this thread needs to be merged with this:

    http://www.defensivecarry.com/vbulle...xtremists.html
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    `The Attorney General may deny the transfer of a firearm pursuant to section 922(t)(1)(B)(ii) if the Attorney General determines that the transferee is known (or appropriately suspected) to be or have been engaged in conduct constituting, in preparation for, in aid of, or related to terrorism, or providing material support thereof, and the Attorney General has a reasonable belief that the prospective transferee may use a firearm in connection with terrorism.';
    One person gets to make accusations based on vague standards of reasonableness, and those accusations can be enough to stick? In advance of conviction by a jury trial. In advance of anything but the Attorney General having a bad feeling.

    Sounds like another side-stepping of the rule of law, to me.
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    What I want to know is why no major party or whatever is calling for impeachment of these folks?

    Thats where we need to be working. Getting them out of office and not by votes.

    By force. By that I do not mean violence. I mean force em the heck out.

    Where is the leader with the cajones to get it going?
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    We helped rid the world of fascists last century. What country is going to save/defeat us once the koolaid kicks in?
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    Quote Originally Posted by paramedic70002 View Post
    We helped rid the world of fascists last century. What country is going to save/defeat us once the koolaid kicks in?
    No country will save us. As to the other....
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