Concealed Carry in National Parks provision passes! (Merged X 7)

Concealed Carry in National Parks provision passes! (Merged X 7)

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    Concealed Carry in National Parks provision passes! (Merged X 7)

    A amendment to the Credit Card Reform Bill just passed: The amendment will allow for Concealed Carry by CCW Permit holders.....essentially under the same circumstances as the recently blocked rule.

    Senator Dodd (no surprise here) hopes the amendment is stripped during the reconciliation process, but we will see.

    I will update when more info is available

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    Send the good Senator a 'gift', and he'll probably become a supporter.
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    I don't know the details,

    I do love my CCW,

    But fail to see what it has to do with credit cards and we need to stop hijacking bills for other purposes.
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    Another Attempt at National Park Carry

    Senate Backs Allowing Loaded Guns in National Parks - Presidential Politics | Political News - FOXNews.com

    Senate Backs Allowing Loaded Guns in National Parks

    Republican Sen. Tom Coburn of Oklahoma sponsored the amendment, which would restore a Bush administration policy allowing loaded guns in national parks.

    WASHINGTON -- The Senate has approved a measure that would allow people to carry loaded guns in national parks and wildlife refuges.

    Republican Sen. Tom Coburn of Oklahoma sponsored the amendment, which would restore a Bush administration policy allowing loaded guns in national parks.

    A federal judge blocked the policy in March. The Obama administration said it would not appeal the ruling. The gun amendment was attached to a bill imposing restrictions on credit card companies. The amendment was approved 67-29.
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    Unrelated amendments

    Quote Originally Posted by tinkerinWstuff View Post
    I don't know the details,

    I do love my CCW,

    But fail to see what it has to do with credit cards and we need to stop hijacking bills for other purposes.
    While I like the outcome of the vote, and don't really see why Dodd would care one way or the other about such a bill, or for that matter why any Senators or Reps from states with fairly restrictive laws of their own would care, I agree with Tinkerin. I don't like it at all when the Critters play around with amendments which are unrelated to the bill's purpose. I wish they would cut that out and stop doing it. It demeans Congress. It leads to lousy legislation and foolish spending.

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    This sounds good but what Senate bill is it attached to so we can follow it.
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    A little excited...

    Already was running here:

    http://www.defensivecarry.com/vbulle...amendment.html
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    Ok does this mean that we can carry in parks now or what... the article didn't give a great deal of info.

    Could someone explain what just happened here?

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    Like it or not, it is the only way to get Legislation passed when a minority of powerful individuals refuse to let important legislation desired by the majority of legislators (be they Dem or Repub) die in committee.

    If these tactics are not used then the Pelosi, Reid, Obama triad will block any meaningful pro-gun legislation.

    And demean Congress?????????????????????? How can this demean Congress in comparison to what they already do on their own. And what this has to do with Credit Cards is that if they want this legislation to pass, then they must accept an amendment that they would block if it was on its own.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pro2A View Post
    Ok does this mean that we can carry in parks now or what... the article didn't give a great deal of info.

    Could someone explain what just happened here?
    This is only an amendment to a bill in the US Senate. The bill must pass in the Senate then go to the House for a vote. If passed as is then must be signed by Obama or veto over ride must pass congress.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tinkerinWstuff View Post
    A little excited...

    Already was running here:

    http://www.defensivecarry.com/vbulle...amendment.html
    I don't know how it got moved...........admin/mods working their magic. I had it down in the Second Amendment/Gun Rights section.

    Not much info available other than an amendment was attached to Dodd's Credit Card Bill.

    The full bill with the amendment (that can't be stripped from the full Senate Bill) will be voted on this week. The House has also shown more willingness to pass pro-gun Legislation also, so it's viability in the surviving reconciliation with the House is much greater.

    Doubleful that the President will veto this bill over a pro-gun amendment...just think of the press on that!
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    Quote Originally Posted by fireman836 View Post
    This is only an amendment to a bill in the US Senate. The bill must pass in the Senate then go to the House for a vote. If passed as is then must be signed by Obama or veto over ride must pass congress.
    I'd think there would be a better chance of seeing a two headed unicorn.

    But then again, this is how Republicans in PA get the gov to sign off on gun stuff that he wouldn't otherwise sign, sneak it in the bill or attach it to something that would look bad if he didn't sign... I think it's time to play some dirty politics to get our rights back

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chorizo View Post
    Senator Dodd (no surprise here) hopes the amendment is stripped during the reconciliation process, but we will see.
    Quote Originally Posted by Chorizo View Post
    The full bill with the amendment (that can't be stripped from the full Senate Bill) will be voted on this week. The House has also shown more willingness to pass pro-gun Legislation also, so it's viability in the surviving reconciliation with the House is much greater.

    Doubleful that the President will veto this bill over a pro-gun amendment...just think of the press on that!
    Did this bill originate in the Senate, or does it have a companion bill already in the House? If the latter (since the House does not allow non-germane riders), this amendment pretty much guarantees a conference committee, it would seem to me (but I've been wrong before ). If the former, however, the House may simply take the bill as it stands.

    This will be very interesting to watch....
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    A companion credit card bill has already overwhelmingly passed in the House.

    Here is the Roll Call vote concerning the amendment that readily passed:
    Roll Call: How the Senate voted on an amendment to allow loaded guns in national parks

    On the amendment:
    The Washington Independent Senate Approves Coburn Gun Amendment…in Credit Card Bill
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    Hope after all ???

    Interesting ...

    Senate Backs Allowing Loaded Guns in National Parks, Jeopardizing Credit Card Reform
    Republican Sen. Tom Coburn of Oklahoma sponsored the amendment, which would restore a Bush administration policy allowing loaded guns in national parks.

    By Trish Turner

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    WASHINGTON -- The Senate on Tuesday voted in favor of a measure, 67-29, that would allow Americans to carry firearms in national parks, if their state laws permit them to possess a gun, with 27 Democrats voting in support.

    But because the measure was passed as an amendment to a broader bill seeking reform of the credit card industry, the move jeopardizes the reform bill, whose lead sponsor, Sen. Chris Dodd, opposed the firearm amendment.

    The amendment was sponsored by Sen. Tom Coburn, R-Okla., who has been fighting for some time for the measure. Dodd, a Connecticut Democrat, voted against the Coburn amendment.

    Dodd voiced concern that, as amended, his credit card reform bill could meet the same fate as the D.C. voting rights bill, which was sidelined in the House when it was amended to allow residents of the District of Columbia to carry guns.

    The Coburn amendment to the credit card bill would allow states to determine whether or not legal gun owners can carry guns in state and national parks. It prohibits the Department of Interior secretary from making any rule or enforcing any regulation that goes against that determination.

    Coburn cited statistics, including 41 rapes, 92 robberies, 16 kidnappings and 5,944 other felony violations taking place in national parks last year.

    "Even though parks are relatively safe, oftentimes the best deterrent is for criminals to know someone else might also have a gun," Coburn said.

    Sen. Jim Webb, D-Va., who became a nationally-known gun owner after an aide was detained for inadvertently carrying the senator's gun into a Capitol office building, spoke in favor of the amendment.

    "It doesn't mean you can go hunting. It doesn't mean a 12-year-old can carry a gun" into a park, he said, adding that current law leaves means there is a risk of arrest for gun carriers who simply travel down a highway that might skirt or cut through a park, as happens in Virginia and other states.

    No Democrat has spoken against the broader credit card reform bill. Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid of Nevada voted in favor of the amendment, though he warned senators afterward not to introduce any more unrelated amendments to the credit card legislation. Seven of the supportive Democrats are up for re-election in 2010, including Reid.

    Dodd said it is possible, if the bill passes the Senate with the Coburn amendment, it still could be dropped in negotiations with the House over the different versions of the legislation.
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