President Obama support UN treaty that would require gun registration in the US

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    Quote Originally Posted by TerriLi View Post
    Ive learned one thing, its happened everytime one step follows the other.
    Register the firearms, this leads to confiscation, this leads to mass killing. Oh yeah, Im not talking about single nutjobs, Im talking thousands to millions.
    Can anyone list a country that hasnt followed this chain to me?
    Thus we have 2A.

    Australia

    I do agree, get the U.N. out of the U.S. of A. and get the U.S. out of the U.N.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HotGuns View Post
    Charter of the United Nations




    Don't feel bad, most people don't see it...and they wont until its too late.



    That is the real problem. Now we don't have those voices that are opposing anything that flys in the face of the U.S. Constitution.

    People will argue that the U.N. has no force or ability to enforce anything upon us, which is true. What is also fact, is that if our people are willing to "accept" a treaty with the U.N. then it becomes voluntarily imposed upon us by our own people.

    Now we know that the U.N. wants to eliminate private ownership of weapons world wide by the yea 2015.



    How much "respect" does our Government have for the second amendment right now?

    Most of them think it is ridiculous. One only needs to look at the actions of Obama,Biden,Pelosi,Clinton and Holder to see how their stance is on it. From where I am sitting it dosent look good.

    Since actions speak louder than words here, when a groups of socialists get together and tell me that they are working for my own good,some how it worries me. Anyone that isn't worried isn't paying attention.



    Spot one. We can lose every right that we own by treaty, as surely as a nation wide attempt to register,ban and then colllect weapons...

    all in the name of safety.
    Unfortunately, I have to agree 100% with you

    A big mistake in a fight, is to underestimate the opponents.
    Obama, Biden, Clinton and Holder are very intelligent people (notice I left Pelosi out) and they have an agenda; that makes them even more dangerous.
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    the topic of ammo restrictions/bans/etc has come up on here before and a lot of people dismiss it all as scaremongering saying don't worry about it, etc, its all just talk, etc, we don't have to worry about it, and that people that are buying all the ammo now are ridiculous

    got this today:
    GOA's CIFTA Treaty Analysis

    please read it all, concerning the trip to Mexico, I hope everybody doesn't dismiss this too
    here's the highlights:
    Remember CANDIDATE Barack Obama? The guy who "wasn't going to take away
    our guns"?

    Well, guess what?

    Less than 100 days into his administration, he's never met a gun he
    didn't hate.

    A week ago, Obama went to Mexico, whined about the United States, and bemoaned (before the whole world) the fact that he didn't have the political power to take away our semi-automatics. Nevertheless, that didn't keep him from pushing additional restrictions on American gun owners.

    It's called the Inter-American Convention Against Illicit Manufacturing of and Trafficking in Firearms, Ammunition, Explosives, and Other
    Related Materials. To be sure, this imponderable title masks a really nasty piece of work.

    First of all, when the treaty purports to ban the "illicit" manufacture of firearms, what does that mean?

    1. "Illicit manufacturing" of firearms is defined as "assembly of firearms [or] ammunition... without a license...."

    Hence, reloading ammunition -- or putting together a lawful firearm from a kit -- is clearly "illicit manufacturing."

    Modifying a firearm in any way would surely be "illicit manufacturing." And, while it would be a stretch, assembling a firearm after cleaning it
    could, in any plain reading of the words, come within the screwy definition of "illicit manufacturing."

    2. "Firearm" has a similarly questionable definition.

    "[A]ny other weapon" is a "firearm," according to the treaty -- and the term "weapon" is nowhere defined.

    So, is a BB gun a "firearm"? Probably.
    A toy gun? Possibly.
    A pistol grip or firing pin? Probably. And who knows what else.

    If these provisions (and others) become the law of the land, the Obama administration could have a heyday in enforcing them. Consider some of the other provisions in the treaty:

    * Banning Reloading. In Article IV of the treaty, countries commit to adopting "necessary legislative or other measures" to criminalize
    illicit manufacturing and trafficking in firearms.

    Remember that "illicit manufacturing" includes reloading and modifying or assembling a firearm in any way. This would mean that the Obama
    administration could promulgate regulations banning reloading on the basis of this treaty -- just as it is currently circumventing Congress
    to write legislation taxing greenhouse gases.

    * Banning Gun Clubs. Article IV goes on to state that the criminalized acts should include "association or conspiracy" in connection with said
    offenses -- which is arguably a term broad enough to allow, by regulation, the criminalization of entire pro-gun organizations or gun
    clubs, based on the facilities which they provide their membership.

    * Extraditing US Gun Dealers. Article V requires each party to "adopt such measures as may be necessary to establish its jurisdiction over the
    offenses it has established in accordance with this Convention" under a variety of circumstances.

    We know that Mexico is blaming U.S. gun dealers for the fact that its streets are flowing with blood. And we know it is possible for Mexico
    to define offenses "committed in its territory" in a very broad way. And we know that we have an extradition obligation under Article XIX of
    the proposed treaty. So we know that Mexico could try to use the treaty to demand to extradition of American gun dealers.

    Under Article XXIX, if Mexico demands the extradition of a lawful American gun dealer, the U.S. would be required to resolve the dispute
    through "other means of peaceful settlement."

    Does anyone want to risk twenty years in a sweltering Mexican jail on the proposition that the Obama administration would apply this provision in a pro-gun manner?

    * Microstamping. Article VI requires "appropriate markings" on firearms. And, it is not inconceivable that this provision could be
    used to require microstamping of firearms and/or ammunition -- a requirement which is clearly intended to impose specifications which are
    not technologically possible or which are possible only at a prohibitively expensive cost.

    * Gun Registration. Article XI requires the maintenance of any records, for a "reasonable time," that the government determines to be necessary to trace firearms. This provision would almost certainly repeal portions of McClure-Volkmer and could arguably be used to require a national registry or database.

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    Cool

    Thaks 64zebra.
    I wonder if the NRA is paying attention to this?


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    Quote Originally Posted by P7fanatic View Post
    Thaks 64zebra.
    I wonder if the NRA is paying attention to this?


    if not I hope they start.....as well as all other gun owners that keep dismissing every anti-gun/anti-2A that comes down the pipe because they think its hoopla, if you'd have told me in 1990 that in 5 years I wouldn't be able to buy this or that model gun because of its features or magazines over this amount of capacity I would have said you're crazy....not now, I won't dismiss anything I hear about because these people are gunning (pun intended) for us, our guns, our weapons any way they can and if we all don't stand up together and voice our opposition they'll all think its ok to proceed with other stuff the next time.
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    Treaties superceed the Constitution.
    A UN treaty about Guns WILL eliminate 2a somewhere in the fine print, or functionally in the application thereof.

    Obama has promised this.
    It’s so much easier now days, to "Love and honor" my wife, when she is armed, and shoots a better group than I do. (Till death do us part, eh?)

    “The way you get shot by a concealed weapons permit holder is, you point a gun at him,” the Sheriff said.

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    Quote Originally Posted by elkhunter View Post
    Treaties superceed the Constitution.
    A UN treaty about Guns WILL eliminate 2a somewhere in the fine print, or functionally in the application thereof.

    Obama has promised this.
    Nope.

    The Constitution trumps treaties:

    Constitution Trumps Treaties

    However, it pays to keep an eye on our community organizing president, especially in light of his past voting record.

    He promised to use the courts as a "bully pulpit".

    He appointed Koh to the bench and Koh is a firm believer in "transnationalism".

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    I agree with Patti...don't know of any examples where treaties ever trumped the Constitution. Not to say it won't be tried...but believe the current SCOTUS would strike it down.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eagleks View Post
    Why would the UN want to get laws abolishing private citizens from owning guns, no private citizens have started any wars. Maybe they should work on controlling countries 'getting' nuclear weapons.
    It is all about CONTROL. And controling the population is the emphasis of all governments.

    (Why were the Founding Fathers so adament that this new government was a CONSTITUTIONAL REPUBLIC ? Because Democracies allow leaders to manipulate the majority into perscecuting the minority. They knew it from personal experience. But a Constitutional Republic organized checks and balances even on the leaders. This is why our schools are now LYING to our kids and telling them that the U.S. is a DEMOCRACY, and the Constitution is FLEXIBLE, to change with the times and circumstances.) 20th Century Progressive Liberals in BOTH parties are talking this utter drivel....Jefferson would roll over in his grave.....democracy ? NO WAY !

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    Quote Originally Posted by bandit383 View Post
    I agree with Patti...don't know of any examples where treaties ever trumped the Constitution. Not to say it won't be tried...but believe the current SCOTUS would strike it down.
    Scotus will change before Obama leaves office. And with the desidedly "INTERNATIONAL LAW supercedes Constitutional Law" BENT to Obama's appointees, we can expect another Liberal Judge who will quote international law to justify anti-constitutional interpretations of our beloved Constitution. THIS very fact, an opening on SCOTUS, was my greatest fear last fall (not saying McCain would select better either).

    Back to the point of this thread: we have got to keep on top of this. Hounding our Congress and Senators and supporting NRA and other organizations that take these issues to COURT every time they rear their ugly heads. The struggle to retain the 2A is the last line in the sand before complete servantude to the High Federal Power.

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    President Obama support UN treaty that would require gun registration in the US

    Here we go again…

    President Obama support UN treaty that would require gun registration in the US

    Signed by President Clinton but never ratified by the Senate, would mean that all guns in the US would have to be registered, and that information would be available to all members of the treaty.

    YouTube - Obama Pushes Anti-Gun Treaty

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    What gun? I sold them all last year. I don't remember who to I lost the bill of sale.
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    Why would the UN even be interested in such a thing?
    "Just blame Sixto"

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    Quote Originally Posted by SIXTO View Post
    Why would the UN even be interested in such a thing?
    Watch the video

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    I knew the answer, tongue in cheek question.
    "Just blame Sixto"

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