Euc - you bin done took some more of them ''idealism'' pills again
This is a discussion on Imagine... With no apologies to John Lennon within the The Second Amendment & Gun Legislation Discussion forums, part of the Related Topics category; Right about here ExSoldier762 said something very interesting that caught my attention: Originally Posted by ExSoldier762 I've never been to Montana, but would love to ...
Right about here ExSoldier762 said something very interesting that caught my attention:
Now this here is some pie in the sky kind of thinking... but what if some entity or individual with the money to spend on this sort of thing were to organize in a rural Western state a "haven". Not a cult like compound structure or some pseudo militia movement, but rather a planned community. After all, they plan communities all the time to have a certain socioeconomic status and arguably ethnic composition.Originally Posted by ExSoldier762
What if there was this community that could start with a population of maybe 30,000 or so that was entirely privately owned by one controlling party, and they would begin by hiring all the public service types. This of course includes a police department, but also all the social and municipal workers you would need like educators, garbage men, city maintenance, you know, all the people who work for the public and get paid by tax dollars, an infrastructure in other words.
You'd attract these people with financial incentives, pointing out the low cost of living there and a decent salary, offer to pay for them to move etc. but there's a catch: all of these people must be screened with no antigunners allowed. No members of Handgun Control Inc. need apply. This could possibly be done with investigations by private detectives if need be.
With a community now established for people to move into, you get to the business of attracting enterprise, but only pro 2A or apolitical companies. No Dell computers for instance.
Then it starts... in legal elections and referendums etc. the people who lived there could start voting in all the pro 2A legislation they wanted on the city level. Why not a municipal wide Stand Your Ground law? And CCW in this city requires no permit.
Also, since we're in rural state where the population is small, these people can gradually begin to use their disproportionate influence on the state legislation to get these same measures passed at that level. You could in fact create a sort of legal paradise, an example community and eventually an example state that shows Kalifornia and Taxachussetts and the like how it should be done.
You could in fact go the Montana route and declare that firearms manufactured in that state not meant for interstate commerce do not have to be 4473ed. Did you know that? Furthermore if we abolish all gun control except federal gun control, we can effectively defang much of it. We'd still do CCW permits but we'd call them NICS verification permits/interstate travel permits, and it would just be an endorsement on your driver's license that wouldn't cost anything significant. Not to mention we would vote in 50 state reciprocity or at least honor permits from all 50 states.
If nothing else, it could eventually become somewhere to go... the only problem is I think there'd be too many refugees sooner or later.
If I had 2 billion dollars laying around, I'd try it.
Euc - you bin done took some more of them ''idealism'' pills again
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Has a socialist ring to it, I'm in.
too bad it can't be built in the south, i hate snow.
if it was ever built i guess i could get used to cold weather.
i'm in too.
How about church. You would need a pastor. That would be me!!!! I'm in...
Well, the winters ARE cold up there.....
The neighborhood parties would be fun - everybody showing off their new sidearm rather than a new car or trophy wife.....
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Yeah it sort of does, but I often wonder if an example didn't exist where my personal 2A views were the law and not just an ideology, if it couldn't be like that everywhere.Originally Posted by WorldPax
Of course it wasn't that long ago that this "ideology" was the law but I digress.
I honestly think once you got it started and then just let it go, selling off the real estate to the people that moved there as you went, it would perpetuate itself with a normal good old capitalist economy though.
I also think whoever organized it could make a killing on the profits.
sorry I'm out. To controlled, and to crowded. I'm a free spirit, want no controlls and lots of space.
30,000 people in a rural Western state is crowded?
I can concede the control issue, but the idea is that once the first "generation" of the community moves in, you let it go and it just develops naturally.
It's fantasy anyway, it would never happen, too many complex issues would arise.
30,000 people in one place in Montana would make it one of the largest cities in the entire state. Euc, your idea is very close to what some Libertarians are trying to accomplish in New Hampshire, though not with the exclusion criteria. Their alternate site was Utah, as I recall.Originally Posted by Euclidean
An interesting dream. You may want to look into the history of intentional communities. You might find that turning your dreams into reality is not as difficult as you think, but infinitely more so to maintain. For me, I hope you find your billions and get to try.
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Old news it is being done, some of us have already bought property, Alot of things are happening that are not advertised in the local papers, ask the right people or research & you will find the answer.
I have planned to move my family within the next 18 months,
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