The ACLU on the Right Side of a Gun Suit

The ACLU on the Right Side of a Gun Suit

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    The ACLU on the Right Side of a Gun Suit

    I've seen lots of people say that they are members of both the NRA and the ACLU because between the two organizations, you get the whole Bill of Rights covered. Let's hope that the ACLU makes more of a habit of taking cases like this.

    Thetowntalk - N.O. man sues city over gun seizure

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    Houston's lawsuit claims District Attorney Leon Cannizzaro has instituted a policy that firearms seized during arrests will not be returned to their owners. The ACLU says that policy violates Houston's constitutional rights.

    "Mr. Houston has done nothing wrong. There are no criminal charges against him. His firearm, which he is and was entitled to carry, has been confiscated for no reason," ACLU of Louisiana executive director Marjorie R. Esman said in a statement.

    Cannizzaro said he doesn't know why one of his predecessors refused to prosecute Houston, whom he said had a gun under the floor board of his car when police stopped him.

    "I have a serious question as to why this charge was refused in the first place," he said.
    How is this not easy to understand? Charge him or give him his gun back! Arrghh.


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    Let us see how far the ACLU will go. Normally they will not defend gun owners. They will defend terrorists but not the law abiding gun owners. Never forget that the ACLU stands for American Criminal Liberties Union.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jetpilot007 View Post
    Let us see how far the ACLU will go. Normally they will not defend gun owners. They will defend terrorists but not the law abiding gun owners. Never forget that the ACLU stands for American Criminal Liberties Union.
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    Read the whole article.......

    I've seen lots of people say that they are members of both the NRA and the ACLU because between the two organizations, you get the whole Bill of Rights covered.

    Thats because except for the Nevada chapter, the ACLU doesn't recognize the 2A. I can't see any serious gun owner belonging to such a subversive organization. In the history of their existance they have made the streets safe for Communists, Klansmen and anarchists but have done nothing for the average citizen.
    They have attacked our free speech rights and have zelously attempted to destroy the very fabric of our society by ridiculing and drastically prohibiting worship in our nation, which I believe is protected by the constitution.
    As Ronald Reagan's Attorney General Ed Meese once said, "They are a lobbying group for criminals".
    If you read the whole article you can see that Houston was arrested for drug charges, that is why the ACLU wants his gun returned. Had he been Joe Average the ACLU would have cared less.
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    Personally people should stay CLEAR AWAY FROM THE ACLU. They are evil. They are UNamerican and Communists.

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    Quote Originally Posted by automatic slim View Post
    I've seen lots of people say that they are members of both the NRA and the ACLU because between the two organizations, you get the whole Bill of Rights covered.

    Thats because except for the Nevada chapter, the ACLU doesn't recognize the 2A. I can't see any serious gun owner belonging to such a subversive organization. In the history of their existance they have made the streets safe for Communists, Klansmen and anarchists but have done nothing for the average citizen.
    They have attacked our free speech rights and have zelously attempted to destroy the very fabric of our society by ridiculing and drastically prohibiting worship in our nation, which I believe is protected by the constitution.
    As Ronald Reagan's Attorney General Ed Meese once said, "They are a lobbying group for criminals".
    If you read the whole article you can see that Houston was arrested for drug charges, that is why the ACLU wants his gun returned. Had he been Joe Average the ACLU would have cared less.
    And the charges were dropped why? Do you honestly believe that the ACLU is taking this case because they want to return a gun to a drug dealer? And you're quoting Ed Meese? Sheesh. I'm sorry, but pretty much every response to this story has been 100% idiocy. The ACLU exists to defend unpopular expression of rights because popular expression doesn't need defending.

    The true test of whether you believe in free speech (or other rights) isn't whether or not you think someone you agree with should be allowed to speak, but whether or not you would fight for the speech you hate most.

    Few in the right complained about the "terrorist watch list" with Bush in charge, now that someone from the "other" side has the list, it's freaking tyranny, black helicopters, they're coming for my guns! Guess who was against that list as well as the other PATRIOT garbage from the first?

    Here again was a chance to encourage or at least recognize an organization that has traditionally stayed away from 2A issues for doing something right, and the response is nothing but idiotic extremist talking points. Pathetic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jetpilot007 View Post
    Let us see how far the ACLU will go. Normally they will not defend gun owners. They will defend terrorists but not the law abiding gun owners. Never forget that the ACLU stands for American Criminal Liberties Union.
    And it was founded by a communist. Push socialism and overwhelm the government/system.


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    Quote Originally Posted by torgo1968 View Post
    And the charges were dropped why? Do you honestly believe that the ACLU is taking this case because they want to return a gun to a drug dealer? And you're quoting Ed Meese? Sheesh. I'm sorry, but pretty much every response to this story has been 100% idiocy. The ACLU exists to defend unpopular expression of rights because popular expression doesn't need defending.

    The true test of whether you believe in free speech (or other rights) isn't whether or not you think someone you agree with should be allowed to speak, but whether or not you would fight for the speech you hate most.

    Few in the right complained about the "terrorist watch list" with Bush in charge, now that someone from the "other" side has the list, it's freaking tyranny, black helicopters, they're coming for my guns! Guess who was against that list as well as the other PATRIOT garbage from the first?

    Here again was a chance to encourage or at least recognize an organization that has traditionally stayed away from 2A issues for doing something right, and the response is nothing but idiotic extremist talking points. Pathetic.
    I'm sure even Ted Bundy did a few things that were honorable. That doesn't qualify him to receive good comments. Let them build a solid track record of supporting 2A. Then I might (emphasis added) change my opinion.
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    The ACLU is not a noble and just organization. They exist to promote the Statist agenda. In this case they serve the President NObama. As far as I am concerned that organization can go to hell.

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    ACLU just plain sucks.........

    Quote Originally Posted by torgo1968 View Post
    And the charges were dropped why? Do you honestly believe that the ACLU is taking this case because they want to return a gun to a drug dealer? And you're quoting Ed Meese? Sheesh. I'm sorry, but pretty much every response to this story has been 100% idiocy. The ACLU exists to defend unpopular expression of rights because popular expression doesn't need defending.

    The true test of whether you believe in free speech (or other rights) isn't whether or not you think someone you agree with should be allowed to speak, but whether or not you would fight for the speech you hate most.

    Few in the right complained about the "terrorist watch list" with Bush in charge, now that someone from the "other" side has the list, it's freaking tyranny, black helicopters, they're coming for my guns! Guess who was against that list as well as the other PATRIOT garbage from the first?

    Here again was a chance to encourage or at least recognize an organization that has traditionally stayed away from 2A issues for doing something right, and the response is nothing but idiotic extremist talking points. Pathetic.
    And why do you believe they have avoided 2A issues, because they are such strong defenders of the constitution? The ACLU had gone to court to have any symbol of christianity taken off monuments, city, county and state emblems. These morons even tried to remove "IN God We Trust" from our money. In New Mexico they successfully banned the singing of Christmas carols in our elementary schools and attempted to scuttle concealed carry. So just tell me, in all these instances, just whose rights were they protecting?
    As for the charges being dropped against Houston, how would I know why? Even the moron DA in that jurisdiction doesn't know why.
    All I know is that the ACLU was indeed founded by a communist and has always endeavored to assail everything good about America.
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    Right on Automatic Slim! They are indeed a foul organization that ignites a vile feeling and resentment for them. Any law abiding 2nd Amendment fan knows to STAY AWAY FROM THE ACLU. They are a cancer of society.

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    Quote Originally Posted by automatic slim View Post
    And why do you believe they have avoided 2A issues, because they are such strong defenders of the constitution? The ACLU had gone to court to have any symbol of christianity taken off monuments, city, county and state emblems. These morons even tried to remove "IN God We Trust" from our money. In New Mexico they successfully banned the singing of Christmas carols in our elementary schools and attempted to scuttle concealed carry. So just tell me, in all these instances, just whose rights were they protecting?
    As for the charges being dropped against Houston, how would I know why? Even the moron DA in that jurisdiction doesn't know why.
    All I know is that the ACLU was indeed founded by a communist and has always endeavored to assail everything good about America.

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    If you love the founding principles of this country, the ACLU is NOT your friend.
    During my educational years, my experiences with the ACLU were not pleasant, and they were extremely costly...even though we were successful.
    They back many people/ogranizations down because of litigation costs...they know and use that financial strategy.
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    If you are a drug dealer then they will fight to get your gun back. But, if you carry legally and you lose your gun due to an illegal search and seizure there is no way that they will help you.

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    Interesting that the founder of the ACLU wrote a book called, "A New Slavery" about the Soviet Union and then tried to get rid of Communists within the ACLU.

    And from Wikipedia:

    The ACLU was formed to protect aliens threatened with deportation, along with U.S. nationals threatened with criminal charges by U.S. Attorney General Alexander Mitchell Palmer for their communist or socialist activities and agendas[11] (see Palmer Raids). It also opposed attacks on the rights of the Industrial Workers of the World (IWW) and other labor unions to meet and organize.

    In 1940, the ACLU formally barred communists from leadership or staff positions, and would take the position that it did not want communists as members either. The board declared that it was "inappropriate for any person to serve on the governing committees of the Union or its staff, who is a member of any political organization which supports totalitarianism in any country, or who by his public declarations indicates his support of such a principle."[12] The purge, which was led by Baldwin, himself a former supporter of communism, began with the ouster of Elizabeth Gurley Flynn, a member of both the Communist Party USA and the Industrial Workers of the World.[13]

    Without regard to all of that, that none of you know anything about any of the good that this organization has done is depressing. You know when you hear anti-gunners say things like, "All the NRA does is protect gangsters so that they can keep machine guns and cop killer bullets,"? You're just the same, only from the opposite perspective. You have no idea what you are talking about. The ACLU is far from perfect, you'll get no argument from me, but you are a fool if you think they are some front for criminals. If you are going to fight for the rights of everyone, you often have to use the lowest among us as your rallying point; that's the nature of the beast.

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