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    Vote on National Right to Carry Coming Soon

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    Vote on Right to Carry Coming Soon
    -- Please urge your Senators to vote YES!

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    Friday, July 17, 2009

    A vote to protect your right to travel out-of-state with a firearm could
    come to a vote next week -- even as early as Monday!

    Senators John Thune and David Vitter are the sponsors of S. 845 -- a
    bill that will establish concealed carry reciprocity amongst the several
    states.

    Senators Thune and Vitter offered the bill as an amendment (#1618) to
    the Department of Defense authorization bill (H.R. 2647).

    This provision will use the constitutional authority allowing Congress
    to enforce "full faith and credit" across the country, so that each
    state respects the "public acts, records, and judicial proceedings" of
    every other state (Article IV).

    The benefit of the Thune/Vitter legislation is that -- unlike other,
    competing measures -- it would protect the right of any U.S. citizen to
    carry out of state (regardless of whether he possesses a permit), as
    long as he is authorized to carry in his home state. This is important
    because of states like Vermont and Alaska, where residents can carry
    concealed without prior approval or permission from the state... in
    other words, without a permit!

    ACTION: Please urge your Senators to vote YES on the Thune/Vitter
    concealed carry reciprocity amendment that will be offered to the
    Department of Defense authorization bill and NO on any modifying
    amendments. This vote could come as early as Monday, so please act on
    this right away!

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    Please support the Thune/Vitter amendment to the Department of Defense
    authorization bill. This amendment will protect the right of citizens to
    carry firearms outside of their home state without violating the rights
    of the other states. Thus, the reciprocity language masterfully protects
    the principle of federalism while also promoting Second Amendment
    rights.

    A person's right to defend himself and his family should not end at the
    border of his state.

    I urge you to vote for the Thune/Vitter concealed carry amendment and to
    oppose any modifying actions that seek to weaken their amendment.

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    I am not sure I support this. This may cause several states, with very good gun laws, to lose some of their carry "privileges" and, due to the potential loss of income from out-of-state permit/license sales, current licenses may be affected in order cover for that loss, such as less years between renewals or increased local costs.
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    Its not going to change anyone state laws only to have reciprocity with each other

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    Quote Originally Posted by rock.45 View Post
    Its not going to change anyone state laws only to have reciprocity with each other
    Maybe not but, with national reciprocity, states are going to lose the money they had been making with out-of-state licensing because no one would need the out-of-state licenses/permits any more.

    Some states are going to buck this move because not all other states have a real handgun/firearms safety training program for their licensees.
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    If I can drive and shoot in my own state, then all other states should honor that right...period!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tally XD View Post
    I am not sure I support this. This may cause several states, with very good gun laws, to lose some of their carry "privileges" and, due to the potential loss of income from out-of-state permit/license sales, current licenses may be affected in order cover for that loss, such as less years between renewals or increased local costs.
    If this will make all 50 states honor my KY CCW, I would be more than happy to pay a higher fee, if it came to that.

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    Not sure if this is good. If federal govt can force states to recognize other states' ccw, it can also force states to deny other states' ccw if the political wind blows in the other direction. Maybe better to let states set their own ccw policies without federal interference? Also, national ccw reciprocity could lead to national gun registration which could facilitate national gun confiscation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cz2075bd View Post
    Not sure if this is good. If federal govt can force states to recognize other states' ccw, it can also force states to deny other states' ccw if the political wind blows in the other direction. Maybe better to let states set their own ccw policies without federal interference? Also, national ccw reciprocity could lead to national gun registration which could facilitate national gun confiscation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tally XD View Post
    Some states are going to buck this move because not all other states have a real handgun/firearms safety training program for their licensees.
    Respectfully this is wrong. Right now my Idaho permit (no training class required) is good in Texas (10 hour training class required, with range/class time). So I ask how does the state requirements have anything to do with res. It doesn't. It's all political......
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    This law will never pass, no matter how well intentioned with the super majorities the democrats hold...

    They will vote right down party lines on this, and we will lose. Now is not the time to worry about winning this battle, we need to clean house in Congress first, then we can address this issue later.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tally XD View Post
    Maybe not but, with national reciprocity, states are going to lose the money they had been making with out-of-state licensing because no one would need the out-of-state licenses/permits any more.

    Some states are going to buck this move because not all other states have a real handgun/firearms safety training program for their licensees.
    I think you are vastly over estimating the number of people that buy out of state licences. I dont see much of an over all impact in state tax revenue if they lost that.

    As for reversing it or turning it into a registration, I dont buy that. It is much harder to do a 180 on a law (changing from reciprocal in all states to no states) than it would be to put in some form of ban on reciprocity with what we have now.

    Current CCW laws have nothing to do with registration, and I dont see them making a jump over due to this. There are other things much much more likely to lead to a registration/confiscation scenario than this. It would be nothing less than a victory for us.

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    Quote Originally Posted by retsupt99 View Post
    If I can drive and shoot in my own state, then all other states should honor that right...period!
    +1 to that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cz2075bd View Post
    Not sure if this is good. If federal govt can force states to recognize other states' ccw, it can also force states to deny other states' ccw if the political wind blows in the other direction. Maybe better to let states set their own ccw policies without federal interference? Also, national ccw reciprocity could lead to national gun registration which could facilitate national gun confiscation.
    Let's rephrase:

    Not sure if this is good. If federal govt can force states to recognize other states' (drivers licenses, marriages, insurance), it can also force states to deny other states' (drivers licenses, marriages, insurance) if the political wind blows in the other direction. Maybe better to let states set their own (drivers licenses, marriages, insurance) policies without federal interference? Also, national ccw reciprocity could lead to national gun registration which could facilitate national gun confiscation.

    But I digress...
    This bill is not setting national standards....but saying if you have a CCW permit from one state, it's good in other states (like a drivers license), but following the laws of the state you are in (if that state has a CCW law)--in other words, you wouldn't be able to carry in IL or WI.
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    Little off topic, kinda. A marriage (traditional man/woman) from onw state is not valid in another?? When did that happen? I got married in CO, then moved to Idaho, and now Texas and Idaho (yes both). Am I not married now???
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    Quote Originally Posted by rock.45 View Post
    Its not going to change anyone state laws only to have reciprocity with each other
    By it passing, you just let the Fedl Govt into the CC issue.... you don't think there will be amendments later.... and they can attach any requirements, qualifications, restrictions, etc. they want to... including a national registration of firearms being used for CC , as well as outlandish fees, etc.

    I'm not for this law, for those reasons. We don't need the Fed Govt involved in it at this point...

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