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    What I find funny is that the D senator from IN voted Yea, and the R senator from IN voted Nay.

    And Voinovich from OH was the only other R to vote Nay.

    Very interesting vote. But not nearly along party lines.
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    %*#@!&$ Frankin!

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    Quote Originally Posted by farronwolf View Post
    What I find funny is that the D senator from IN voted Yea, and the R senator from IN voted Nay.

    And Voinovich from OH was the only other R to vote Nay.

    Very interesting vote. But not nearly along party lines.
    Coming from IN, I was quite pissed. I sent off both a congratulatory email and an angry one. Surely they won't be read but it doesn't make sense. IN recognizes all CCWs, but only 23 others recognize mine. You'd figure it'd make sense to want IN to be recognized everywhere. Sense and politics don't mix of course.

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    Again the tyranny of the minority overuling the majority.

    58 for the amendment/39 against.

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    Also interesting that both VT senators voted against it.
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    Both my representatives (Boxer and Feinswine) vote "Nay." No surprise there.

    How can these idiots talk about how this violates States' Rights when this amendment was ALL ABOUT States' Rights (full faith and credit)???


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    I want to apologize for my two idiot Senator's votes from Illinois. I just emailed them and expressed my feelings. I will never give up the fight for CC in IL!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chorizo View Post
    Arlen Spincter......
    You mean Sphincter?

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    Go Virginia!

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    I can't believe both Warner and Webb of VA voted for it. Trolling for votes.
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    Senate rejects concealed weapons measure - Capitol Hill- msnbc.com

    Senate rejects concealed weapons measure
    'This is no minor shift in policy,' said Sen. Dianne Feinstein, D-Calif.

    WASHINGTON - In a rare win for gun control advocates, the Senate on Wednesday rejected a measure allowing a person with a concealed weapon permit in one state to also hide his firearm when visiting another state.

    The vote was 58-39 in favor of the provision establishing concealed carry permit reciprocity in the 48 states that have concealed weapons laws. That fell two votes short of the 60 needed to approve the measure, offered as an amendment to a defense spending bill.

    Opponents prevailed in their argument that the measure violated states rights by forcing states with stringent requirements for permits to recognize concealed weapons carriers from states that give out permits to almost any gun owner.

    "This is no minor shift in policy," said Sen. Dianne Feinstein, D-Calif., whose state requires people to be fingerprinted, get gun training and to undergo a federal background check before issuing permits. "It in fact would be a sweeping change and I think with some deadly consequences."

    The vote reversed recent trends where Republicans and gun rights Democrats from rural states joined to push pro-gun rights issues and block gun control legislation.

    Congress this year voted to restore the rights of people to carry loaded weapons into national parks and the Senate moved to effectively eviscerate the tough gun control laws of the District of Columbia.

    Congress has also ignored urgings from President Barack Obama and Attorney General Eric Holder to revive a ban on military-style weapons that expired in 2004.

    The concealed weapons measure, promoted by the National Rifle Association and Gun Owners of America, would have made a concealed weapon permit from one state valid in the 47 other states with permit laws. Only Wisconsin and Illinois have no carry permit laws.

    Protection for truckers
    Sen. John Thune, R-S.D., the sponsor, said it would not provide for a national carry permit, and that a visitor to another state would have to obey the limitations of that state, such as bans on concealed weapons in restaurants or other places.

    "Law-abiding individuals have the right to self-defense," even when they cross state lines, Thune said, citing the example of truck drivers who need to protect themselves as they travel.

    Opponents, however, said the 48 states with permits have a broad range of conditions for obtaining those permits: some such as Alaska and Vermont, give permits to almost all gun owners. Others, such as New York, have firearm training requirements and exclude people with drinking problems or criminal records.

    New York Democrat Charles Schumer raised the possibility of his state having to accept gun carriers from states that have few or no restrictions. Thune's proposal, he said, was "the most dangerous piece of legislation to the safety of Americans when it comes to guns since the repeal of the assault weapons ban."

    Thune shot back that if a person from South Dakota with a carry permit visited Central Park in New York City, "Central Park will be a much safer place."

    States' rights
    Other opponents said the proposal infringed on states' rights, usually an important principle for gun rights groups. Sen. Richard Durbin, D-Ill., said it would override the laws of 11 states — California, Connecticut, Hawaii, Iowa, Maryland, Massachusetts, Nebraska, New Jersey, New York, Oregon and Rhode Island — and the District of Columbia — which do not allow carry permit reciprocity with other states.

    Sen. David Vitter, R-La., another sponsor, reminded his colleagues that the NRA and Gun Owners of America were scoring the vote, meaning it would be considered in their election evaluation of lawmakers.

    NRA chief lobbyist Chris W. Cox said the last two decades have shown a strong shift toward gun rights laws. "We believe it's time for Congress to acknowledge these changes and respect the right of self-defense, and the right of self-defense does not stop at state lines," he said.

    Gun control groups were strongly in opposition.

    The Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence said Mississippi residents can get a permit without any training, including ever shooting a pistol on a range. These permit holders could carry firearms in New York City, where police have broad discretion to deny permits, or Dallas, where permit applicants must undergo at least 10 hours of training.

    "It is critical to our efforts that people who enter our state abide by the laws of our state which have supported the progress we are making," Newark, N.J., mayor Cory Booker said in a statement. "This is not a law that will in any way support our efforts to create a safer Newark."
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    Alphabetical by Senator Name
    Akaka (D-HI), Nay
    Alexander (R-TN), Yea
    Barrasso (R-WY), Yea
    Baucus (D-MT), Yea
    Bayh (D-IN), Yea
    Begich (D-AK), Yea
    Bennet (D-CO), Yea
    Bennett (R-UT), Yea
    Bingaman (D-NM), Nay
    Bond (R-MO), Yea
    Boxer (D-CA), Nay
    Brown (D-OH), Nay
    Brownback (R-KS), Yea
    Bunning (R-KY), Yea
    Burr (R-NC), Yea
    Burris (D-IL), Nay
    Byrd (D-WV), Not Voting
    Cantwell (D-WA), Nay
    Cardin (D-MD), Nay
    Carper (D-DE), Nay
    Casey (D-PA), Yea
    Chambliss (R-GA), Yea
    Coburn (R-OK), Yea
    Cochran (R-MS), Yea
    Collins (R-ME), Yea
    Conrad (D-ND), Yea
    Corker (R-TN), Yea
    Cornyn (R-TX), Yea
    Crapo (R-ID), Yea
    DeMint (R-SC), Yea
    Dodd (D-CT), Nay
    Dorgan (D-ND), Yea
    Durbin (D-IL), Nay
    Ensign (R-NV), Yea
    Enzi (R-WY), Yea
    Feingold (D-WI), Yea
    Feinstein (D-CA), Nay
    Franken (D-MN), Nay
    Gillibrand (D-NY), Nay
    Graham (R-SC), Yea
    Grassley (R-IA), Yea
    Gregg (R-NH), Yea
    Hagan (D-NC), Yea
    Harkin (D-IA), Nay
    Hatch (R-UT), Yea
    Hutchison (R-TX), Yea
    Inhofe (R-OK), Yea
    Inouye (D-HI), Nay
    Isakson (R-GA), Yea
    Johanns (R-NE), Yea
    Johnson (D-SD), Yea
    Kaufman (D-DE), Nay
    Kennedy (D-MA), Not Voting
    Kerry (D-MA), Nay
    Klobuchar (D-MN), Nay
    Kohl (D-WI), Nay
    Kyl (R-AZ), Yea
    Landrieu (D-LA), Yea
    Lautenberg (D-NJ), Nay
    Leahy (D-VT), Nay
    Levin (D-MI), Nay
    Lieberman (ID-CT), Nay
    Lincoln (D-AR), Yea
    Lugar (R-IN), Nay
    Martinez (R-FL), Yea
    McCain (R-AZ), Yea
    McCaskill (D-MO), Nay
    McConnell (R-KY), Yea
    Menendez (D-NJ), Nay
    Merkley (D-OR), Nay
    Mikulski (D-MD), Not Voting
    Murkowski (R-AK), Yea
    Murray (D-WA), Nay
    Nelson (D-FL), Nay
    Nelson (D-NE), Yea
    Pryor (D-AR), Yea
    Reed (D-RI), Nay
    Reid (D-NV), Yea
    Risch (R-ID), Yea
    Roberts (R-KS), Yea
    Rockefeller (D-WV), Nay
    Sanders (I-VT), Nay
    Schumer (D-NY), Nay
    Sessions (R-AL), Yea
    Shaheen (D-NH), Nay
    Shelby (R-AL), Yea
    Snowe (R-ME), Yea
    Specter (D-PA), Nay
    Stabenow (D-MI), Nay
    tester (D-MT), Yea
    Thune (R-SD), Yea
    Udall (D-CO), Yea
    Udall (D-NM), Yea
    Vitter (R-LA), Yea
    Voinovich (R-OH), Nay
    Warner (D-VA), Yea
    Webb (D-VA), Yea
    Whitehouse (D-RI), Nay
    Wicker (R-MS), Yea
    Wyden (D-OR), Nay

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    Mine voted against...I wont forget that.
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