CSPAN LIVE VID of the US Senate on National Reciprocity

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    From one of the other of the many identical threads:

    Quote Originally Posted by Faitmaker View Post
    Come on guys. This has been done to death and frankly I'm tired of hearing how everyone wants "x" and doesn't give a crap that it violates the Constitution. While I won't even go into incorporation (which is wrong), 2A is NOT incorporated. The 2nd Amendment protects your rights to own and carry. This much HAS been decided by SCOTUS. However, it only applies to Congress, not the States.

    This law would be unconstitutional but you are free to work on your individual AG's to get HIM or her to get reciprocity for your state with the others. You guys will post all day to the forum but have you wrote your AG?

    I would support a national wide compact amongst the states LIKE the driver's license but I can't support a Federal law to force states to accept other states license when the requirements are not similiar (unlike driver licenses).
    Excellent! +1

    At least a few other forum members understand the issues.

    We barely escaped this time. Next time, with all the support of people who want to erase state borders, remove state governments in favor of a one world government, we might not be able to preserve the United States of America.

    It is disappointing that many here are so self centered concerning their own interests that they will subvert the Constitution just to appease their personal desire. And many of these same people rail against government officials that act in their own self interests. I can think of a word that is approriate for that behavior. Can you?

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    I'm also happy that this failed to pass. The Feds can stay out of state's rights. At least my 2 gun hating Senators got their vote right for once and voted Nay as they always do when it comes to anything guns.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SelfDefense View Post
    We barely escaped this time. Next time, with all the support of people who want to erase state borders, remove state governments in favor of a one world government, we might not be able to preserve the United States of America.

    It is disappointing that many here are so self centered concerning their own interests that they will subvert the Constitution just to appease their personal desire. And many of these same people rail against government officials that act in their own self interests. I can think of a word that is approriate for that behavior. Can you?
    Probably a good point but I have to be surprised that there wasn't more debate (published anway) about the states rights end. All the debate and discussion published was a referundum on gun rights. The vote tally shows that too or you would expect more "conservatives" to vote "nay"
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    Agreed SD, as in regard to your quote of Faitmaker.

    State rights is more important than taking a bone by way of federalizaton toward this item.
    An interstate compact measure makes more and the most sense as in relation to licensing and reciprocity nation wide. Until that happens, and I don't see that occurring any time soon, I cannot personally get behind this nor any other similar efforts.

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    Nelson (FL) ARGH!!!

    Has he even met a Floridian???
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    I admit that I had mixed feelings about this and I applaud those of you who are standing up for states rights even though the end result would have been something that would benefit you.

    The problem with lobbying states to expand the number of states they accept is that by definition, you have to lobby politicians outside of your jurisdiction. In Idaho, for example, all other states CCW's are accepted, so I have no politicians to lobby.
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    Those fine up standing Republican senators Lugar and Voinovich voted against it. Lugar also voted to extend the assault weapons ban in 2004. Harry Reed and 17 other Democrats voted for the bill.

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    Quote Originally Posted by automatic slim View Post
    For NM, Bingaman must go, Thank you Tom Udall.
    +1 Dingleman just lost his job

    Kyl and McCain both voted Yea for AZ!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by highvoltage View Post
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    Hagan voted yea??

    wow.... I'm a little taken aback.

    I knew Lautenberg and Menendez would vote Nay. (I'm glad I moved out of Jersey years ago.

    Good to see that the good folks of TN know what's right.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tinkerinWstuff View Post
    Probably a good point but I have to be surprised that there wasn't more debate (published anway) about the states rights end. All the debate and discussion published was a referundum on gun rights. The vote tally shows that too or you would expect more "conservatives" to vote "nay"
    I agree. Libertarians and liberals want to erase state borders. (In fact, they want to erase national borders, as well.) These people do not understand our Constitutional Republic, otherwise we would not see such a grave misunderstanding about something so simple as the Bill of Rights. Congress shall make no law...

    THE STATES CREATED THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT.


    As we saw on this issue, both republicans and democrats were pandering (now there's a surprise!) to their constituency. That is why Harry Reid voted for it, of all people. (Of course, they all knew EXACTLY the final vote so that some democrats could vote YES to protect their seats.)

    Virtually no one in this nation supports states' rights. Especially, as we see by the comments here, gun owners.

    Our only hope is to educate the next generation before the liberals and libertarians succeed in their mission to erase all borders and form a one world government. The funny thing is that so many get bent out of shape and claim they are against a one world government when they are promoting EXACTLY that by crushing state sovereignty.

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