Good! I for one am tired of the ignorant and paranoid in America making gun policy. This purposed law was way out of line!
I guess the defeat of this bill ruined a lot of fantasies for the gun nuts. Good.
This is radical? People who have concealed carry licenses/permits are the most trustworthy citizens in this country. They DO NOT commit crimes! It has been proven time and time again that the more people (law abiding) that have guns in a community, the less crime there is. This is similar to a driver's license issue. Why the hate/fear on the left for honest citizens to carry guns?
Because they show overt signs of extreme paranoia and I don't want one of them shooting me when I ask for directions or accidently brush against them. I wouldn't even consider going to one of those national parks out west. These paranoiacs have destroyed common trust and tourism.
How come the Cons ONLY focus on the 2nd amendment and forget about the other rights, you know, like the right to privacy (abortions) and the right to equality under the law (gay marriage)? Only what suits their sick mentality.
But the reality is that the nuts can still carry assault weapons threw the middle of DC (and they do), just as long as they hold them out for everybody to see. We have so much to be thankful for.
I believe, that at the constitutional convention, after we create Universal Health Care, we need to consider revoking the 2nd Amendment. If we improve health care we can maybe save 4 or 5 thousand lives a year. If we kill the 2nd Amendment we could probably save 15 to 20 thousand lives a year and reduce the number of people in hospitals and prisons (mostly for shooting their own friends and families). But who is counting.
It is unlikely that the entirely unreasonable proposal of repealing the Second Amendment would attain sufficient support for passage, though it is somewhat laudible that you are suggesting an honest course of action, as contrasted with the common dishonest methods employed by other advocates of civilian disarmament who seek instead to simply ignore the Second Amendment. It should also be noted that the repealing of the Second Amendment would not inherently criminalize the possession of firearms.
Non-Sense. You are such a naive fascist. You progressives just keep on defecating on parts of the Constitution you don't like. It's called the BLACK MARKET. The government can't regulate it! People will still be able to get guns unless we have a total totalitarian government that watches our every move. When did progressives become such vicious tyrants?
Using guns and violence is not how civilized people should solve problems, among themselves or with their government. The Second Amendment is outdated and wrong. It should be discarded.
It is your own twisted logic that the 2nd amendment is outdated. You obviously have lived a privileged life and never had you or your family in a life-threatening situation. If you did I'm sure you would change your mind. People like you are very dangerous to our society. Please go live in Cuba or something.
How about a "sin" tax on bullets???
I wonder how many lives will be saved by the failure of this insane bill. BTW, I was thinking about the consitution and our 'founding fathers' a minute ago. Of course in the consitution it reads about maintianing a militia... nothing about individuals rights to own(in that time) a flintlock.
Anyway, now some righties whine about their right to own an AK47, AR-15 or concealed Glock with a 15 round clip. What to stop these nuts from saying their consitutional rights are being violated for not having the god given right to posess a nuke? The right to bear arms..... indeed. I actually think this was argued in the supreme court. I wouldn't put anything past these people.
I remember an old episode of "All in the Family" where Archie and Meathead were arguing about how to stop airplane hijackings. Archie's idea was to arm everybody who stepped into the plane with a gun, that way, if a hijacker tried to take the plane, the passengers could shoot him.
That's my sense of how a lot of people think -- give everybody a gun and we'd all be safer. It's pure insanity.
We have real strange conflicting purposes in this country. In many states, we are willing to lock up people for having a "joint", but it's okay for people to buy, and own assault rifles. We can talk all we want to about the second amendment, for it is in the constitution. But let's get real; for whether we hunt, or target practice, guns have only one inherit purpose-to kill! And at the end of the day, what the NRA represent is the business of selling guns, while hiding behind the constitution, and while urban gun violence is a common place occurence. So we, and the NRA can play all the games of delusions we wish to play. But one thing for certain, as long as we preoccupied with guns, it will always be a cosmically stark indicator that we are not truly civilized!
It took me a long time to figure out that I'm not against guns as much as I'm against the people who really, really like them. These trigger-happy birth certificate conspiracy nuts running the GOP through the NRA are dangerously crazy.
As a firearms owner, the more I hear people in real life and see these guys on the forums ranting about their third arm extensions, the more I doubt and question the wisdom of -this- society being armed. I don't consider most Americans all that responsible, politically or otherwise, for the most part and ownership of a weapon is a responsibility to take seriously and ponder deeply. I think of all these people I see driving their lethal weapons around while futzing with their cell phones and I shudder. I don't care if I get accused of snobbery and anti-Americanism, I'm just calling it as it is. If this society's gun-ownership advocates, such as the NRA, were concerned about perpetuating gun ownership, rather than just stirring up voter hysteria among their constituency, I suppose I'd feel differently. At the very least, I want a safety education standard and much stronger enforcement of the laws for any firearm ownership, before I even start to consider advocating that people be legally allowed unlicensed carry or a greatly reduced restriction on the issuing of permits. Here in Baltimore, having met a couple licensed-to-carry people, I concluded I was safer when they weren't packing, and it was because they were careless and macho in waving their weapons around. It was a fetish for them.
Defend themselves from what? The government? They've got IFV's and gunships. You think even a fully automatic rifle is going to stop the 25mm shells of an M242 from turning your house into a splintered husk? Or a salvo of 5" rockets from clearing you and any other 'government resisters" out in open confrontation? The whole myth of firearms as a resistance to tyranny overlooks the inherent difficulties of facing the military of a fully industrialized nation in the information age, and firearms aren't even the most effective weapon modern insurgents use against their targets. That whole scenario of the NRA rising up with guns to stop the tyranny got passed by years ago, if it ever existed; like minded fellows in France got cut down right after the invasion and then the resistance had to get smarter.
There's a liquor store owner in my town who owned several guns that he kept in his store. He wasn't shy about pulling them out on anyone he deemed worthy (potentially hostile or just plain mouthy). One Sunday he showed up to open the store when the other businesses around him were closed. As he was unlocking the front door someone cracked him over the head, dragged him inside, robbed him and stole all of his guns, all of them. Just possessing the gun on your person isn't making anyone safer. In fact, this man had made the community less safe by his irresponsible public demonstrations that he had guns and would pull them out at the drop of a hat on whoever he felt deserved it. The guys who want to get at your guns will do it. You can't be vigilant every minute and there are 100 ways that you can be separated from your guns. Thune calling his bill "common sense" is nonsense.
Good point. The criminals are not going to call anyone out for a gunfight at noon. Concealed weapons only encourage criminals to shoot at the first sign of trouble.
Hmm, the states with concealed carry laws - VA, TX, and FL have way lower handgun crime rates than states that do not allow it. Criminals want the least amount of resistance - that's what mass shootings usually happen in gun free zones - they know it's easy pickins
Well, I certainly wouldn't hold him up as an example, though. I own guns and I realize it is a really stupid move to walk around flashing it and advertising it to anyone who'd want to rob me. What the liquor store owner did was stupid and irresponsible macho-swaggering BS. Most gun owners do NOT subscribe to this sort of behavior.
Let's check the score, shall we?
In 2006, there were 30,896 gun deaths in the U.S: 12,791 homicides (41% of total deaths), 16,883 suicides (55% of total deaths), 642 unintentional shootings (2% of total deaths), 360 from legal intervention (1.2% of total deaths) and 220 from undetermined intent (.8% of total deaths).
(Numbers obtained from CDC National Center for Health Statistics mortality report online, 2009.)
abortions in 2005................... 820,151 At this rate it'll take 26.5 years just to catch up to 2005!
I've never really understood the whole CCW thing. Don't I have a right to know who is carrying a gun in my presence when I'm walking around with my granddaughter, or shopping somewhere? And if carrying a concealed weapon is supposed to deter criminals, wouldn't it make more sense that a gun in plain sight would be a better deterrent? But then, I don't get the whole gun culture. I do know that something like 50 people a day die by gun su1cide. That more than 53% of su1cides are done by guns. That gun violence is a health issue, it's so prevelant in this country.
Few if any criminals get killed by private citizens using their own weapons. If there were statistics to the contrary the NRA would have it posted on billboards.
Like that's going to prevent you from getting killed! BS you may think so but not necessarily. When are you gun nuts going to remember all of the school killings we have had? All the tragic shootings by people who own guns and are not in their right mind?