Glad to see we agree on this on Hopyard.
This is a discussion on Tea parties and Town Hall meetings within the The Second Amendment & Gun Legislation Discussion forums, part of the Related Topics category; Originally Posted by rodc13 Interesting how the right-wingers are acting just like the sheep they purport to abhor. Being led around into orchestrated disruptions. Of ...
If you actually believe this is some operation being orchestrated by the nefarious powers that be at the highest echelons of the Republican Party using paid stormtroopers who are merely out to be disruptive, you're every bit the sheep you call others.
Your statements are pretty much cut and pasted from Moveon.org, HuffPo, and Olbermann. Propaganda.
I did see some real health care reform (or is health-insurance reform now?) advocates at the Denver rally. They were all holding pre-printed signs that they all spontaneously ginned up that morning stating the exact same thing. And they all met up at Home Depot that morning. Oh, and they were all illegal aliens. And paid to hold signs by the local DNC chapter. There's your "organic" Obamacare rally.
Glad to see we agree on this on Hopyard.
Anyway, simmer down. I'm sure we agree on more than we disagree, but I don't advocate any "type" of free speech. If it's protected, it's protected. It seems this was clearly protected, regardless of how much it irritated you.
Thank your for your service. I'll be sure to pass on your disdain of the Air Force in your other post to my old man. He flew 30+ missions in a C-130 during the siege of Khe Sahn and was later shot down airdropping supplies to an ODA team.
Perriello town hall meeting heats up - Roanoke.comFWIIW -- His district is over the mountain east of me; so I wasn't there. However, I talked to someone, from there, who was at the town hall meeting and said that Perriello and the Roanoke Time put a lot of positive spin on it.Perriello town hall meeting heats up
Health care dominated the debate at the lawmaker's sixth meeting during the August recess.
By Janelle Rucker
BEDFORD -- Tempers flared and emotions were high Saturday morning during a health care-themed town hall meeting hosted by 5th District Rep. Tom Perriello.
About 300 people packed into the cafeteria of Bedford Elementary School for the sixth in a series of town hall meetings that Perriello, the Albemarle County Democrat, is hosting this month.
"Whether you support me or think I'm the dumbest guy on the planet, thanks for coming out," Perriello began the meeting. In the end, the discussion was the "most heated and liveliest" of the town hall meetings so far, he said.
Flustered and frustrated faces filled the crowded room. And while most speakers thanked the congressman for coming and giving them an opportunity to speak, it didn't stop some from heckling and yelling at him and one another.
Because of time constraints, Perriello wasn't able to meet one-on-one with constituents as in previous meetings. But he did take more than two dozen questions and comments from the audience.
Identifying themselves as veterans, retired nurses and caregivers of elderly family members, a majority of the speakers were against the same thing: a health care system run by the federal government.
"We are for health care reform," said Salem resident C.J. Duhon. "We are against more government."
Duhon does not live in Perriello's district, which stretches from Charlottesville south to the North Carolina boarder, but was one of many speakers who felt the topic was important enough to travel to Bedford.
Duhon insisted that there are other ways to reform the health care system that aren't being looked at, but gave no examples.
Others expressed concern about the 2.5 percent tax under the proposed plan on those who don't have insurance. One man suggested that Congress lower taxes so he can afford his health insurance.
Other concerns included increased red tape, mandatory end-of-life plans with government counselors and the government's access to personal bank accounts to ensure payment for services.
"Some [opposition] is genuine, some is misinformation," Perriello said.
Overall, Perriello said he thinks people are taking an ideological stand on the issue and are against government involvement.
As the bill stands now, Perriello said, he's leaning toward voting against it but there still are aspects that can be changed or eliminated.
"I'd like to get to a plan that I can support," he said, admitting that many probably won't agree on the result.
Perriello was one of 22 freshman congressmen who wrote a letter opposing tax penalties for small businesses that don't provide health care to their employees. He said he is against a single-payer system and will not vote on a health care bill that includes federal funding for abortions.
Retired Navy veteran Chuck Bell of Rustburg said he's against "public health care" and promised to walk door to door campaigning against Perriello if he voted for the bill.
"I will consult my constituents, my conscience and do what's best," Perriello said, adding that he's OK if Bell campaigns against him if he disagrees with Perriello's performance. "Let the chips fall where they may."
Like a rally, handmade signs were displayed among the crowd. "If ObamaCare is so great, sign Congress up for it FIRST," read one sign. Those approaching the school were greeted with a sign reading, "Obama's gift to our children: $4 trillion in debt."
The American Clean Energy and Security Act, also known as the cap-and-trade bill, wasn't discussed as much as health care, but interest was high.
Most in the room were against the energy and climate change bill, and Perriello has come under fire for supporting it.
"I absolutely stand by my vote," he told the crowd that quickly filled the room with boos.
Perriello sees the bill as a step toward energy independence. It includes investments in the use of clean coal and allows farmers to consider growing other crops that could be used in alternative energy production.
The legislation also works specifically for the 5th District, Perriello said, because he sees alternative energy as the "next big thing" for Southside.
The town hall meetings will resume in Greene County on Monday and Charlottesville on Tuesday. He will return to the area Aug. 26 for a town hall meeting in Franklin County.
The meetings are "a monthlong conversation with the American people" about their thoughts on health care, Perriello said. He said he has met some very strong opposition but many can "agree to disagree."
I'm just one root in a grassroots organization. No one should assume that I speak for the VCDL.
I am neither an attorney-at-law nor I do play one on television or on the internet. No one should assumes my opinion is legal advice.
Veni, Vidi, Velcro
The Air Force rating was certainly not directed toward your father, but more likely was some ill chosen humor directed to his son [but the Marine part definitely was not humor]. My unit was there shooting for Khe Sanh during the same time period as your father, and I probably saw your father pass above me on more than one occasion, where we saluted those big faithful birds on which I had the privilege to ride on several occasions. I honor your father for his service. I truly believe that if he had been with me at the tea party meeting, we would have been working together to upright the flag under which he served and which was being dishonored in our very presence. We both would have understood the differences in the legitimate use of the American flag as a sign of distress and the misuse of the American flag as a mere sign of political protest.Thank your for your service. I'll be sure to pass on your disdain of the Air Force in your other post to my old man. He flew 30+ missions in a C-130 during the siege of Khe Sahn and was later shot down airdropping supplies to an ODA team. .
(B) An advance care planning consultation with re-
spect to an individual may be conducted more frequently
than provided under paragraph (1) if there is a significant
change in the health condition of the individual, including
diagnosis of a chronic, progressive, life-limiting disease, a
life-threatening or terminal diagnosis or life-threatening
injury, or upon admission to a skilled nursing facility, a
long-term care facility (as defined by the Secretary), or
a hospice program.
(4) A consultation under this subsection may in-
clude the formulation of an order regarding life sustaining
treatment or a similar order.
‘‘(5)(A) For purposes of this section, the term ‘order
regarding life sustaining treatment’ means, with respect
to an individual, an actionable medical order relating to
the treatment of that individual that—
p 431-432 even better!
(A) INGENERAL.—For purposes of re-
porting data on quality measures for covered
professional services furnished during 2011 and
any subsequent year, to the extent that meas-
ures are available, the Secretary shall include
quality measures on end of life care and ad-
vanced care planning that have been adopted or
endorsed by a consensus-based organization, if
appropriate. Such measures shall measure both
the creation of and adherence to orders for life-
Does this give anyone else cold chills?
"have been adopted or endorsed by a consensus-based organization"
Even more chilling is that "life-sustaining treatment" can be interpreted to include nutrition and hydration. If they think you're not worth the effort to keep alive, they will literally starve you and let you die of thirst.
In other words, if you are not in a situation where you would draw your concealed handgun in self-defense, you should not be flying the flag upside down. Flying the flag upside down is a signal of extreme, immediate danger to life or property, not one of political frustration.USC Title 4, Chapter 1, Section 8.a - The flag should never be displayed with the union down, except as a signal of dire distress in instances of extreme danger to life or property.
You have the power to donate life.
At any rate, debating whether or not the protesters were correct in flying the flag as they did is extremely appropriate and a worthy one. Debating whether or not the OP was correct in attempting to relieve of them of their property, despite his very real (and probably justified) anger, isn't a worthy endeavor. He was wrong.
You still have to love a Country that will tolerate the expression of speech displayed.
"The smallest minority on earth is the individual. Those who deny individual rights cannot claim to be defenders of minorities." - Ayn Rand
NRA Member / Ohio Conceal Carry Instructor
Everyone, absolutely everyone, should have a Living Will and a Directive to Physicians, and should give those documents to their doctor so that they are in his records. All the proposal does is make provision to pay the doc for the time involved.
This is one provision which has been distorted for political gain by frightening the gullible.
If you don't want to prepare a living will and don't want to prepare an advanced directive, and don't want to give those instructions to your doctor, or discuss end of life issues with your doctor, there is nothing in the proposed legislation that forces you to do so.
Patient choice is preserved.
sustaining treatment. In other words, if your desire is to preserve
your life to the bitter end, against all odds, there will be a mechanism to measure adherence to such directives.
I can see it now. Out of a sense of free speech and fairness, the upside down hippie flag bearers will be permitted (if not invited) to attend the next Republican Convention. The TV cameras will focus on them to the exclusion of the important things that are taking place at the convention. After all, if the Tea Party organizers should be required to allow this type of "free speech" why shouldn't the GOP allow it.
On the other hand, if Holger's father and I are in charge of the convention (or Tea Party agenda as the case may be), these characters will be required to do their upside down flag protests at their own rally elsewhere.