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    Boycott Arizona ?????????????

    Well, thats what Frommers is asking everyone to do.
    He is saying that vistors lives are not safe because us Zonies are allowed to Carry Guns.

    I say Boycott Frommers.


    Should travelers boycott Arizona because of gun laws? Frommer leans towards yes | Gadling.com
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    As a "foreigner", I felt safe when I was there. Then again, I had my P7 on my hip the whole time.
    CCW permit holder for Idaho, Utah, Pennsylvania, Maine and New Hampshire. I can carry in your country but not my own.

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    Do Guns at Political Events Disturb You? Then Consider Skipping Arizona for Now on Arthur Frommer Online

    Do Guns at Political Events Disturb You? Then Consider Skipping
    Arizona for Now
    Posted by Arthur Frommer at 8/19/2009 10:10 AM EDT

    I am not yet certain whether I would advocate a travel boycott by others of
    the state of Arizona; I want to learn more about Arizona's gun laws and how
    they compare with those of other states. But I am shocked beyond measure by
    reports that earlier this week, nearly a dozen persons, including one with an
    assault rifle strapped about his shoulders and others with pistols in their
    hands or holsters, were openly congregating outside a hall at which President
    Obama was speaking to the Veterans of Foreign Wars.

    For myself, without yet suggesting that others follow me in an open boycott, I
    will not personally travel in a state where civilians carry loaded weapons
    onto the sidewalks and as a means of political protest. I not only believe
    such practices are a threat to the future of our democracy, but I am firmly
    convinced that they would also endanger my own personal safety there. And
    therefore I will cancel any plans to vacation or otherwise visit in Arizona
    until I learn more. And I will begin thinking about whether tourists should
    safeguard themselves by avoiding stays in Arizona.

    According to the Phoenix, Arizona, police, people with guns including assault
    rifles do not need permits in Arizona, but can simply carry such weapons with
    them, openly and brazenly, when they gather to protest a speaker at a public
    event. The police also acknowledge that about a dozen people carrying guns,
    including one with an AR-15 assault rifle, milled about outside the event at
    which President Obama spoke.

    I would feel as I do regardless of the political identity of the speaker whom
    these thugs attempted to intimidate. The continued tolerance of extremists
    carrying guns is a frightening development which strikes at the heart of the
    political process and endangers the ability to carry out a reasoned debate. Is
    there any responsible citizen of the United States who believes that people
    should carry guns to a public debate or speech? If Ronald Reagan were
    delivering a political talk in Phoenix, Arizona, would they have felt it was
    proper for protestors with guns to mill about outside the hall from which he
    would leave?

    I'd appreciate hearing your comments. The question is, should we all organize
    a travel boycott of Arizona until this tolerance of armed intimidation is
    ended, probably by an act of the Arizona legislature?



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    What a stupid article
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    ARIZ boycott

    It's not the armed folks that worry me about Arizona!! It's the pesky BEES. I am highly allergic to insect venom and bees scare me much more than People with guns.
    Life is too short to be serious!

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    Let him stay in safe zones. (Schools, malls, NYC, DC, Post Offices)
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    Well I say let them boy-cot us... There is to many people here already.. Now if we could keep the Cali's from moving over here we would be ok..

    PS... No offense to cali people, just the socialists that are trying to bring the cali laws to our state.. Tell them to go home.. And then keep going,... :-)

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    Are you kidding me!!! It is clear that Mr. Frommer wasn't actually in Phoenix when this "protest" occurred and is relying on the "un-biased" news media reports to draw his conclusion about Arizona.
    Kind of funny how some people use their Constitutional Rights of free speech and freedom of the press to suggest that law abbiding citizens should have their Constitutional Right to keep and bear arms taken away because it may "intimidate" someone else. Hope the State of Arizona and the Arizona legislature won't be "intimidated" by Mr. Frommer's posturing. This is a "great" State and we respect every Constitutional Right, even the ones that might seem intimidating.

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    Czar of travel...

    Probably is trying for an appointment for something on Obama's all-star cast of antigun people.
    That's the last of buying me or mine anything from Frommers again ever! Someone needs to ask the guy how he thought the American Revolution was won. He probably thinks we shook a piece of sugarcane at the Japs after Pearl Harbor. What an educated idiot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AZtraveler View Post
    Are you kidding me!!! It is clear that Mr. Frommer wasn't actually in Phoenix when this "protest" occurred and is relying on the "un-biased" news media reports to draw his conclusion about Arizona.
    Kind of funny how some people use their Constitutional Rights of free speech and freedom of the press to suggest that law abbiding citizens should have their Constitutional Right to keep and bear arms taken away because it may "intimidate" someone else. Hope the State of Arizona and the Arizona legislature won't be "intimidated" by Mr. Frommer's posturing. This is a "great" State and we respect every Constitutional Right, even the ones that might seem intimidating.
    geez write an article about something one wasnt even at......
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    Yeah most of us think the article was funny, we don't need no whiney liberals anyhow we have enough next door!!

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    I've been to Phoenix, Flagstaff, and few other locations in Arizona since I moved to Las Vegas, Nevada. To read that Frommer's wants me suddenly boycott Arizona just because they don't like the fact that citizens are exercising their 2nd amendment rights is unbelievable. I think that we should be boycotting Frommer.

    If the author of that article feels so unsafe he should consider staying a good distance away from Arizona. But to try to suggest that others should do the same is irresponsible. That reminds me of something Pres. Obama said earlier this year.

    He said that corporations should not be scheduling conventions here in Las Vegas. Do you know what impact that had on the economy? Over 300 corporations cancelled their yearly conventions!!! That was devastating to the economy.

    Let's boycott Frommer!
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    We all know that washington is going to try to de-fuse the people showing up to protest armed,.. So this is nothing more the CNN and MSN and every other media that the government is controling has done,.. They are scared I'm sure because "behind every blade of grass, there is a gun in America" (I think that was Teddy Roosevelt?)

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    Boring Stats

    Just out of curiosity I ran a Pearson's product moment correlation on the latest Brady Bunch rating of the States (1 = the States they like best) and the latest FBI rates for 2006* of violent crime (1 = the States with the highest number of crimes per 100,000).

    The results were minutely positive (0.0223098064983772000) -- i.e., no significant correlation, albeit there was a very slightly higher ranking of crime in the where States The Bradies like the gun laws.

    Had the gun laws they liked had significant effect there would have been a negative correlation approaching -1.0.

    I then ran a Pearson's product moment correlation on the latest Brady Bunch rating of the States (1 = the States they like best) and the FBI's actual rates of violent crime . (Yes, I know I'm mixing paramedics and non-paramedics.)

    Again, the results were minutely positive (0.0280386921633278).

    So, the States where the Bradies like the laws have just a very little more crime than the States that they don't like.

    OTOH, I have seen stats where when the CHPs go up, the crime goes down, significantly.

    So, not only do we need to work on gun laws, we need to work on getting more people to get CHP and start carrying.



    *the latest I found in a quick search
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    Hopefully Frommer soon discovers how many states allow some sort of carry ( either open or concealed ). Maybe he'll get so freaked out he won't leave the security of his house. We can only hope !

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