Worried about this civilian security force?

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    Quote Originally Posted by torgo1968 View Post

    If you disagree with me, fine, answer the points rather than ignoring them and posting cutesy rejoinders with absolutely no content.

    Sorry, I only get to be cutesy via the internet (as in 1+1= jellyfish); I replied to non-sense in like kind. As for Beck, I could not care less, he is first and foremost an entertainer. Really, Beck is not worth debating so I'll close out on that topic.


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    self-identified himself as a terrorist.

    Quote Originally Posted by TucAzRider View Post
    Any right wing extremist that owns a weapon and ammo for that weapon is a terrorist??? Are they not?? In cluding the "guy that stood at a town meeting"...
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    The man self-identified himself as a terrorist. His words. No one
    put those words in his mouth. No one made him say that. saying that in public says too much about what isn't between his ears.

    While I don't think we need to take his self-description at his word, just as we won't necessarily take a common criminal's confession on face value because people make up even confessions, I hardly think it appropriate or particularly sensible to hold such a person up as an example of a mentally stabile individual who exemplifies the gun-rights cause. To the contrary, fools like that do himself and the rest of us considerable harm.

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    Hopyard that may be, but how does it make him meantally unstable, a fool maybe yes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rugergirl View Post
    You forgot narcissistic
    Think I had that: "This narcissistic mindset is characteristic of many men in the 20th century who started by articulating good intentions but became responsible for the deaths of millions of innocents."

    Or were you saying that rhetorically, as in tell me what you really think?

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    "Security force as well funded and armed as the military"

    I'm OK with this, once this question is answered to my satisfaction...

    Who is this force giving security to...? Who is the enemy they will defend against...?
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    Hopyard,

    Since not all of us work for the Federal Government like you do...we don't see the "Feds" as honest or trustworthy.

    Many of us know enough about the "Feds" to KNOW that many are not honest and trustworthy.
    I am sure my ability and education makes me your equal in judging mental stability. I see nothing unstable about worrying about what this new regime in the White house is doing. They have shown through both actions and appointments and associations that they can NOT be trusted and their agenda is at the mildest....Socialist.
    I see your alliance is to the current government...that doesn't make any of us unstable....but I GOT to wonder about YOU. Before anyone else gets their panties in a bunch....I am mainly refering to Congress and the Current White house Administration.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spirit51 View Post
    Hopyard,

    Since not all of us work for the Federal Government like you do...we don't see the "Feds" as honest or trustworthy.

    Many of us have worked for local government and know enough about the "Feds" to KNOW they are not honest and trustworthy.
    I am sure my ability and education makes me your equal in judging mental stability. I see nothing unstable about worrying about what this new regime in the White house is doing. They have shown through both actions and appointments and associations that they can NOT be trusted and their agenda is at the mildest....Socialist.
    I see your alliance is to the current government...that doesn't make any of us unstable....but I GOT to wonder about YOU.
    I'm sorry but I disagree with saying those in the FED gov are not honest or trust worthy. My father was a forensics auditor for the Navy Audit Service, he believed in this country, and had tremendous integrity, as those on his team did, so don't group everyone that works for the government into one category like that, not at all accurate.

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    I am going to summarize the 7 pages of this thread...

    bah duh bah duh Im not listening to any of your propaganda you liberals and duhfajhdfjnf duh duh Im not listening to any of your propaganda conservatives.

    Our country is being ripped apart by its own people ... stop this stupid division.

    Hop no offense but you are the most visible with opposing points view (God bless your points of view and freedom to do so). I have read every one of the 67 preceding post to this one.

    What I see is that we are bickering instead of seeing the obvious that we need to bind together as countrymen and fight this radical socialism take over.

    I personally may not be able to gain everyone's support but I will certainly fight for those that disagree because when the war (civil not armed, educational not bloody, intellectual and wisdom, not artillery and camoflauge) is over they will maybe agree that freedoms have been secured once again whether they like it or not.

    Too many people want RIGHT NOW and do not think of the cost this will burden us with when the first invoice comes in the mailbox of the US people in a few years.

    I will close with this:

    "Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spirit51 View Post
    Hopyard,

    Since not all of us work for the Federal Government like you do...we don't see the "Feds" as honest or trustworthy.

    Many of us have worked for local government and know enough about the "Feds" to KNOW they are not honest and trustworthy.
    I am sure my ability and education makes me your equal in judging mental stability. I see nothing unstable about worrying about what this new regime in the White house is doing. They have shown through both actions and appointments and associations that they can NOT be trusted and their agenda is at the mildest....Socialist.
    I see your alliance is to the current government...that doesn't make any of us unstable....but I GOT to wonder about YOU.
    Very true. Ask any American Indian about the honesty and trustworthiness of the federal government.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spirit51 View Post
    Since not all of us work for the Federal Government like you do...we don't see the "Feds" as honest or trustworthy.

    Many of us have worked for local government and know enough about the "Feds" to KNOW they are not honest and trustworthy.
    You are asserting that the all of the 'Feds' are not honest or trustworthy.

    Any evidence to back up that sweeping conclusion? Even some anecdotal might be interesting since you cannot back up your claim.

    I mostly agree with Hopyard. The paranoia is completely unjustified. Many (most?) disagree with Obama's policies but he has done nothing illegal or unconstitutional. The fact is he is the President and that position puts him in charge of Federal law enforcement. It is also a fact that Posse Comitatus disallows the military from performing domestic law enforcement except in the most desperate of circumstances. There is nothing untoward about a law enforcement agency that investigates and enforces Federal law. That is EXACTLY why we have the FBI.

    Is it that some think they are breaking the law and do not want to be discovered? I really want to know what these people are afraid of.

    As far as Beck goes, he is a clown. He has taken inciting paranoia to a new level. Just look at all of the people that think his 'analysis' has merit.

    I still can't get over the people so frightened by such a weak President. People actually use the clowns with stick outside a polling place as 'evidence' of some communist takeover. And the clown with a gun at the Obama event is hailed a hero. Can there be a better example of hypocrisy?

    The truth is that even with a democratically controlled Congress, virtually all of Obama's campaign rhetoric has been completely unsuccessful. The wars, homosexuals in the military, DOMA, tax cuts for the 'middle class', closing Gitmo, health care... The truth is he has done pretty much NOTHING and no one's rights have been violated. Has he weakned the nation? Sure, but he is NO threat to our liberty. We will have election next year and it is likely Republicans will gai seats in both the House and the Senate. Unless, as they did last time, the libertarians work against freedom and liberty by voting for a fringe candidate and wasting their vote.

    Sorry, but I find all the revolution talk nonsensical though it is popular here. If you do not like the elected leaders then campaign for CREDIBLE candidates and VOTE. But don't vote for fringe third party candidates and then complain you don't like current leadership.

    And if NONE of the candidates suit your fancy then run for public office. I am so tired of hearing the trite phrase, 'lesser of two evils' until you yourself become one of those evils.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tubby45 View Post
    Very true. Ask any American Indian about the honesty and trustworthiness of the federal government.
    The American Indians are able to avoid Federal taxes, they can establish casinos and have advantages Americans could only dream of.

    A different topic, but we should force the assimilation of Indians and close the idiotic and outdated concept of Reservations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shooterX View Post
    I'm sorry but I disagree with saying those in the FED gov are not honest or trust worthy. My father was a forensics auditor for the Navy Audit Service, he believed in this country, and had tremendous integrity, as those on his team did, so don't group everyone that works for the government into one category like that, not at all accurate.
    "In God we Trust, in Obama and Congress, eh, not so much" comes to mind here.
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    I dont fully trust any politician of course
    and dont know how all this will play out
    but I think Obama also planning on more
    community organization funding when he
    was talking about "the force" as well

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    Quote Originally Posted by SelfDefense View Post
    The American Indians are able to avoid Federal taxes, they can establish casinos and have advantages Americans could only dream of.
    Yet the fact that they are the top demographic for suicide, depression, alcoholism, the most oppressed, and have the shortest life expectancy of any group of Americans is definitely not a dream of mine or anyone else I associate with.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shooterX View Post
    Hopyard that may be, but how does it make him meantally unstable, a fool maybe yes.
    Sometimes there is a very fine line between the two.

    My initial point has been lost in the faux politics here. That point was that it is dangerous to let unfounded fear drive our thinking. It doesn't matter if it is unfounded fear of government, or unfounded fear of your neighbor's teen age kid, or unfounded fear of someone different. Sooner or later if the fear is unfounded an error of judgment will be made with real world negative consequences.

    That is why I wrote: fear leads to hate; hate to anger; anger to rage; rage to violence. I wrote that comment in order to hammer home the idea that all these posts of baseless political fear are potentially very harmful.

    Those who unreasonably fear our politicians and our government, or who unreasonably fear for their own security, are headed down a slope that can lead to disaster.

    Sadly, we have an industry in the cable network world, and in some of the print media as well, that thrives on the purveying of unfounded fear; and the fear merchants fail to see the calamity that their words can bring upon us all.

    Those who buy into unfounded fear borne of propaganda and exaggerations, and of the lies of those who make money purveying "shocking" ideas, are doing neither themselves nor the country any good whatsoever.

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