NC Supreme Court restores felon's gun rights

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    Quote Originally Posted by retsupt99 View Post
    I think Bernie Madoff should be able to apply for his permit when he gets out...he'll be 221 years old...
    3:2 he gets pardoned. Any takers?
    Your best weapon is your brain. Don't leave home without it.
    Thoughts: Justifiable self defense (A.O.J.).
    Explain: How does disarming victims reduce the number of victims?
    Reason over Force: The Gun is Civilization (Marko Kloos).
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    IMHO non violent offenders that have done their time,paid their fines,and have been trouble free for 5 years have earned the right to have all their rights restored,Violent Offenders NEVER
    "Outside of the killings, Washington has one of the lowest crime rates in the country,"
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    Yeah, that's good ol' North Cackalacky for ya. Never saw a thug they didn't just love to death. Most of our crime is committed by parolees. The screams of us who'd like to see prison mean something fall on deaf ears.
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    ThePackFolf. Ummmm.......hello and welcome to the forum. I must say that is one hell of a first post.

    Your candor and openness is commendable however you are asking strangers to basically believe your version of events over that of the "other party" in your case. It does not make any difference to me about your sexual orientation but I am afraid my answer is yes, your rights should be taken away. You were convicted of a sex crime that according to the "other party" was non consensual so that is akin to rape, which is a considered a violent crime. After your probation is over and you have no further problem go through the process of getting your record expunged and get on with your life. Just guessing here but did you take a plea offer in this case?

    In regards to your friend and the rifle I would like to read the whole story if a link could be provided.
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    "A first rate man with a third rate gun is far better than the other way around". The gun is a tool, you are the craftsman that makes it work. There are those who say "if I had to do it, I could" yet they never go out and train to do it. Don't let stupid be your mindset. Harryball 2013

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    Violent felons gun rights restoration....... NOT !!! None violent felons gun restoration..... YES !!!

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    I don't think committing a felony happens by accident. Crimes are in categories based upon the condition and severity of the crime. If you advance that far in the criminal enterprise then your probably a career criminal. These are the same people the anti's lump us in together for propaganda and political gain. NO, they shouldn't get there rights restored. I enjoy my firearms because I played by the rules not because of the threat of going to jail...I play by the rules because I'm not a criminal. It's a choice. (Side note) I may not like all the rules but I do it anyway.
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    Miamieddie the only problem with such a broad reinstatement of rights would be who decides what is a non violent crime? Hot checks is non violent, fraud, and financial crimes but so is child porn, production of methamphetamine and selling cocaine. Should these people have rights restored and get guns legally?

    The other issue is the crime that they were originally charged with may have been plea bargained down to a lesser included felony that fits the non violent criteria and we would never know because only the crime he was convicted of would appear. As an example a person is charged with distribution of cocaine, he had a submachinegun at the time of the crime and he was charged with it, however he is offered a deal if he snitches on his supplier. In return he gets minimum time on the cocaine and the gun charge is dropped, done never existed. He now fits under the non violent criteria and gets his rights restored.

    I think the best we could ever hope for is case by case review to get the record expunged later on down the road. In a perfect world the entire criminal history is brought out, full disclosure, special prosecutor and judge but that probably would never happen as the legal system is stretched thin as it is.

    Fair to all? Not sure but it is probably best to leave things as they are.
    "A first rate man with a third rate gun is far better than the other way around". The gun is a tool, you are the craftsman that makes it work. There are those who say "if I had to do it, I could" yet they never go out and train to do it. Don't let stupid be your mindset. Harryball 2013

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    Tacman605 your right cant argue with that. Eddie

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    Intent to commit, there's the difference ...
    The police are not there to protect you from crime, they are there to arrest the guy after the crime has been committed, assuming they find him. It is your responsibility to protect yourself and your family.

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    Exclamation This about covers it.

    After reading this entire thread, I popped another tab up and read thru what seemed to be the perfect reply. So I felt compelled to register and post it. Check this out:

    Friday Interview: Ex-Felons and Gun Rights in North Carolina

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    Quote Originally Posted by DPro.40 View Post
    I don't think committing a felony happens by accident.
    As this law professor points out, it is quite easy to commit felonies without having any idea you are doing so. We are probably all breaking some law, even as we are on internet.
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    If you truly believe in your 2nd Amendment rights, then you should support those rights for anyone who isn't in prison. The entire idea of banning felons from having firearms is a joke. If someone commits a felony and can't be trusted to have a firearm, they should never leave prison.

    Anyone not in prison is a free person. If you trust the government to decide what free people can and can't have firearms based on their history of incarceration, then you trust government to decide what free people can and can't have firearms based on any criteria.
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    Quote Originally Posted by archer51 View Post
    Remember, they made a choice to break the law.
    Of course no innocent person has ever been wrongfully convicted of a crime---except at least the 138 people exonerated from death rows in the USA since 1973, after DNA or other evidence proved them innocent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by steffen View Post
    If you truly believe in your 2nd Amendment rights, then you should support those rights for anyone who isn't in prison. The entire idea of banning felons from having firearms is a joke. If someone commits a felony and can't be trusted to have a firearm, they should never leave prison.

    Anyone not in prison is a free person.
    Should be that way, I agree.

    Being a citizen shouldn't become a part-time deal based on arbitrary standards on this or that feature of citizenship deemed no longer worthy of applying.

    I don't want anyone dangerous to have any great ability to harm me, same as anyone else. Much like the whole CHL process, it won't much affect the ability of violent felons to remain dangerous, if they choose to remain so, or to acquire other weaponry if desired. If he ever harms another, he ought to be on tap for full responsibility and accountability for that one as well, including both (a) via resistance by the victim up to and including death of the perp, and (b) incarceration/death as penalty for the crime. And so he is. But in the meantime, and even throughout, he's still a citizen (or not, in which case his butt should be shipped outta here at his expense).
    Your best weapon is your brain. Don't leave home without it.
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    Explain: How does disarming victims reduce the number of victims?
    Reason over Force: The Gun is Civilization (Marko Kloos).
    NRA, SAF, GOA, OFF, ACLDN.

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    Felon?

    I was arrested in 1986 for drugs,a felony pleaded guilty(I was) No jail/prison time. Did my probation, after a period of time I had my rights restored, I was denied for a gun permit. I don't think it's fair to lump ALL felons. Mine wasn't violent,only involved me and a dumb choice. 25 years later, I can not legally protect myself or family.

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