September 16th, 2009 04:25 PM
Amtrak now required to allow transport of firearms. [merged]
Just like checking them in with an airline.
Senate passes measure to allow gun transport on Amtrak - CNN.com
Wonder if this effects CCW permit holders at all?
CCW permit holder for Idaho, Utah, Pennsylvania, Maine and New Hampshire. I can carry in your country but not my own.
September 16th, 2009 04:44 PM
I don't think we'll be allowed to carry concealed, but before it was completely illegal to have any firearms on board, so it is a good first step. Hopefully it will stay in the final bill this time and not get vetoed.
"The measure lays out the following guidelines:
• Before checking the bag or boarding the train, the passenger must declare that the firearm or pistol is in his or her bag and is unloaded.
• The firearm or pistol must be carried in a hard-sided container.
• The hard-sided container must be locked, and only the passenger has the combination or key."
September 16th, 2009 04:59 PM
Senate OKs measure that would allow guns on Amtrak
The above quoted are the Titles atop 2 Articles I have read.
GOP senator wants guns allowed on Amtrak
They purposely make it sound like anyone can just walk on with a gun.
I hate the Media.
Exodus 22:2 "If a thief is caught breaking in and is struck so that he dies, the defender is not guilty of bloodshed"
September 16th, 2009 07:26 PM
I have never understood the big deal about having a firearm on a train - it's not like you're gonna hijack the train and force it to Cuba.
September 16th, 2009 07:31 PM
That is excellent news. We now have one more mode of travel that is 2A friendly to a degree. Once in a rare while I wonder what it would like to take an Amtrak trip to somewhere.
"Gun control is being able to hit your target."
September 16th, 2009 07:50 PM
Originally Posted by tflhndn
I'm just one root in a grassroots organization. No one should assume that I speak for the VCDL.
I am neither an attorney-at-law nor I do play one on television or on the internet. No one should assumes my opinion is legal advice.
Veni, Vidi, Velcro
September 16th, 2009 07:58 PM
If "just like" with airlines, then CHL folks won't be exempt from anything.
Originally Posted by GunnyBunny
Though, I don't see it should be anything other than treating CHL's like we do folks with automobile travel. I mean, it's not like the train's gonna fall out of the sky, and there frankly isn't any other justifiable rationale (IMO) to deny CHL folks the right to carry on-board a silly train. It is NO different than a bus, a taxi, a street car, light metro rail, or a personal car.
It's ludicrous in the first degree. It shows how controlling the autocrats really think they need to be, even for worthless, unjustifiable reasons. There is no social benefit obtained by such restrictions on the actions of upstanding people, and criminals will find away around the silly finger-waggling and signs anyway.
Originally Posted by tflhndn
My suggestion for the appropriate way to handle federal futzing, at least until unrestricted, unregulated carry by upstanding citizens becomes the law of the land: you're required to legally comply with the rules/regs in any state you transit through, as with traveling via your car. Make any federal statutes like THAT, and I'll be reasonably satisfied with the job the bureaucrats did. Otherwise ...
Last edited by ccw9mm; September 17th, 2009 at 12:24 AM.
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self defense (A.O.J.).
How does disarming
the number of victims?
Reason over Force: The Gun is Civilization (Marko Kloos)
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September 17th, 2009 01:39 AM
September 17th, 2009 01:58 AM
So if a terrorist hijacks the train,I must first unlock the case and get my gun out,then I gotta unlock a second bag and retrieve my ammo,then I gotta load my gun.Now I know why I don't ride the choo choo
"Outside of the killings, Washington has one of the lowest crime rates in the country,"
--Mayor Marion Barry, Washington , DC .
September 17th, 2009 06:37 PM
THAT"S A GOOD ONE
Originally Posted by tflhndn
September 17th, 2009 08:26 PM
No. The gun will be in your checked baggage, and you won't have access to it.
Originally Posted by dukalmighty
Battle Plan (n) - a list of things that aren't going to happen if you are attacked.
Blame it on Sixto - now that is a viable plan.
September 17th, 2009 10:26 PM
The title of this thread is "Amtrak now required to allow transport of firearms."
The linked item states that the Senate has so voted, but there is no mention of a House vote or a presidential signature.
September 18th, 2009 04:01 AM
The Real Story Here
It is not the guns, it is the total lack of real security for passengers getting on the train, and the lack of control of checked baggage that is the real story. Firearms were banned in stages, first after 9/11, and later after the attacks on the trains in Madrid (like making it against Amtrak regulations is going to stop some Mumbai whack job from taking a gun to the train station).
The NY Times, in an editorial today on this Senate action, spills the beans. It appears that random checks of people and baggage are made, but unless you waved your pistole around - or you were caught printing, there is no structured security to keep you off carrying concealed, let alone in your carry-on (or even your checked, for that matter) luggage.
The Times, in its normal anti-gun rant, is against this because it would require the baggage car to be secured, and an airline sterile area appraoch would have to be created for passengers and carry-on luggage.
Banners always seem to be stupider than we think they can be. Bin Ladin and his Merry Band now know how to hit Amtrak (and the commuter rail lines around NYC) courtesy of the NY Times.
George H. Foster
September 18th, 2009 04:14 AM
Well, small steps...
If checked baggage only, that kind of sucks, but still you can travel with your firearm. I have avoided train travel altogether because I can't bring my gun to my final destination.
No worse than air travel but certainly not any better. It sucks! But a step in the right direction.
"The gun is the great equalizer... For it is the gun, that allows the meek to repel the monsters; Whom are bigger, stronger and without conscience, prey on those who without one, would surely perish."
September 18th, 2009 02:00 PM
Honest passengers are unarmed? Check.
Train runs through remote areas far from any law enforcement response and possibly even cellular reception? Check.
If I was a criminal/terrorist, I'd be drawing out some plans right now.
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