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    They have it backwards

    If the "investigators" could not legally purchase a weapon, they were breaking the law by attempting to purchase firearms. Bloomers was breaking the law by financially supporting the breaking of the law.
    If the investigators were not legally ineligible, no harm no foul.
    Turn the laws on him. He broke the law by supporting criminals attempting a purchase of handguns.


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    Quote Originally Posted by rjstorlie View Post
    If the "investigators" could not legally purchase a weapon, they were breaking the law by attempting to purchase firearms. Bloomers was breaking the law by financially supporting the breaking of the law.
    If the investigators were not legally ineligible, no harm no foul.
    Turn the laws on him. He broke the law by supporting criminals attempting a purchase of handguns.
    I work for a large dealer in Middle Tennessee, at one of the shows being investigated one of those investigators approached me and tried to purchase a Glock. After he wasted my time I told him we would need a Tennessee Photo ID to start the background check process. He said he could not pass the background check. I told him he could not purchase from us he asked me if he could forego the background check if he paid $100 extra I told him he was close to if not already commiting a felony, he slid away very quickly. I did not see him anymore at the show. When I told my owner he went and told apolice officer but again he(the agent)had left the show.
    The state of Tennessee needs to issue warrants for the arrest of all the investigators involved.

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    Quote Originally Posted by redbird View Post
    I work for a large dealer in Middle Tennessee, at one of the shows being investigated one of those investigators approached me and tried to purchase a Glock. After he wasted my time I told him we would need a Tennessee Photo ID to start the background check process. He said he could not pass the background check. I told him he could not purchase from us he asked me if he could forego the background check if he paid $100 extra I told him he was close to if not already commiting a felony, he slid away very quickly. I did not see him anymore at the show. When I told my owner he went and told apolice officer but again he(the agent)had left the show.
    The state of Tennessee needs to issue warrants for the arrest of all the investigators involved.

    You should bring this to the Tennessee AG or State Police.

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    Are there LEOs legitimately assigned to cover gun shows, such as ATF, to make sure that they catch the minority who are breaking the law and endangering the 2A rights of law-abiding citizens?

    Is it just the local police? And aren't they there for site security rather than enforcing existing weapons laws?

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    The beat goes on

    Roanoke Times, Roanoke VA

    Close gun-show 'loophole' - Roanoke.com

    Editorial: Close gun-show 'loophole'
    A sting shows the dangers of not requiring background checks.
    Those who have opposed ending the so-called "gun-show loophole" should watch a video put together after an undercover sting operation directed by New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg.

    The city sent out undercover agents to purchase guns at seven gun shows in three states: Ohio, Tennessee and Nevada.

    The buyers found unlicensed sellers and asked about buying a gun without a background check. Unlicensed dealers are not required to perform the checks that federally licensed dealers must.

    However, if they are given any reason to believe that a buyer would not pass a background check, they are supposed to terminate the sale.

    In 35 of 47 tries, that did not happen. Even though the undercover buyer made it explicitly clear he didn't think he could pass a background check, the private seller went ahead with the sale almost three-quarters of the time.

    The video also made it clear that these private sellers are often not simple collecters selling off a couple of spare weapons. This is a business, with many of the private sellers displaying dozens of weapons. It's unclear how such people can get away with selling without a federal license. That loophole should also be tightened.

    Clearly, one of two things must happen, either at the state or federal level. Either private sellers must be required to conduct background checks before they sell a weapon at a gun show or private sellers should be banned from such shows.
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    Apparently, even law suites don't seem to stop this nut case

    South Carolina Judge Rules that Mayor Bloomberg’s “Sting” to Reduce Guns on NYC Streets Could be Considered Extreme and Outrageous | www.newyorkinjuries.com

    I believe the AG of Pennsylvania sent a letter to Loonberg to stop sending his "agents" to Pa or He (the AG) would prosecute Loonbergs "agents" to the fullest extent of the law.

    Virginia is fighting also: Virginia bites back at NYC's Mayor Bloomberg | HamptonRoads.com | PilotOnline.com

    The commonwealth was offended. Legislators said outsiders had no business conducting stings in Virginia. They passed a bill outlawing such operations unless they’re under the supervision of Virginia or federal law enforcement. Gov. Timothy M. Kaine signed the bill into law.

    Attorney General Bob McDonnell fired off a letter to Bloomberg, warning the mayor that he would be charged with a felony if he tried such tactics in Virginia again. Bloomberg called McDonnell’s reaction “bizarre” and accused the attorney general of protecting “rogue gun dealers.” McDonnell shot back that Bloomberg was “meddling.”
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    Not pressing charges only perpetuates the opinion that laws don't abide to the wealthy or politically connected. I'm sure if John Doe did the same thing the states and possibly the feds would not hesitate to press charges.

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    We know that the antis monitor the VCDL Alerts, as I suspect they do here on DC, also.

    From VA ALERT

    [Note: PVC, my, & "I" are Philip Van Cleave, President of VCDL]

    Antis are upset about VCDL protesting anti-gun mayors Monday and
    Tuesday night!
    **************************************************

    The antis have "learned" about VCDL protesting the Falls Church Mayor,
    tomorrow, Monday, October 26 and the Norfolk Mayor, Tuesday, October
    27 and are, er, up in arms. They are trying to get their members to
    turn out at the city council meetings to counter our protest.

    As EM Matt Gottshalk said when he saw this, "I've never seen so much
    slander in so few words."

    Here is what the Virginia Center for Public Safety (how's that for a
    misnomer?) sent to their members (my comments imbedded in brackets)

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    CRITICAL ALERT!

    Please forward this to anyone who can help!

    The most extreme representatives of the pro-gun movement are planning
    to show up at local city council meetings across the Commonwealth for
    the purpose of harassing and intimidating the seven Virginia Mayors
    who have courageously stood up in support of the safety and well-
    being of their citizens over the fear-mongering and cowardice of the
    gun carriers. [PVC: Where do I begin? Since when is redressing
    grievances with the government considered harassing or intimidating
    the government? And I have to laugh when I hear the antis calling US
    cowards. "Harassing," intimidating," and "cowardice" are THEIR
    qualities which they are "projecting" on us.]

    PLEASE DON"T ALLOW THEM TO SUCCEED!

    On a Web site called "Ammoland", the President of the so-called
    "Virginia Citizens Defense League" has pledged to show up at each
    Mayor's next City Council Meeting in order to try to browbeat and
    intimidate these public servants into capitulating to the VCDL's
    irrational and dangerous positions. [PVC: Protecting the Second
    Amendment civil right of Americans is "irrational and dangerous?"]

    Believing that no democracy can tolerate political action through
    armed intimidation, The Virginia Center for Public Safety hopes all
    Virginians, liberal, moderate, and conservative, will help us stand
    up to these extremists, who while cloaking themselves in the veil of
    law and order, are perfectly satisfied with felons, terrorists, and
    the mentally disturbed having easy, unscrutinized access to guns,
    including military-grade weapons, as long as they do too. [PVC:
    Great example of the temper that the antis have. Look at the
    viciousness of those words against all of you. VCDL members carry
    guns for self-defense and will attend these city council meetings as
    we always have - as an orderly law-abiding group of citizens. Only
    the antis have ever accused us of being anything else. The antis, on
    the other hand, are the ones you have to watch out for. VCDL does not
    want terrorists and violent criminals to have guns, but we are smart
    enough to know that you can't stop them from getting guns, even if
    every law-abiding citizen turned in every gun they owned.]

    WE NEED YOUR PRESENCE, PARTICULARLY THAT OF RESIDENTS OF THESE
    CITIES, AT THE FOLLOWING CITY COUNCIL MEETINGS:

    In support of Falls Church Mayor Robin Gardner:

    Monday, October 26th, at 7:30 PM

    In support of Norfolk Mayor Paul D. Fraim:

    Tuesday, October 27th, at 7:00 PM

    As we learn about any other attempts by the VCDL to engage in this
    type of intimidation of public servants, we'll pass it on. We
    anticipate they will try to harass the other five mayors, also.
    [PVC: Heck, pass it on now. The other mayors are from Petersburg,
    Richmond, Hopewell, Portsmouth, and Alexandria. We just don't have
    dates/times yet for their protests.]
    Please join us, the Pro-RKBA attendees, at these meetings, if you can.

    If not, why not set up the same sort of protest in cities near you?

    dave
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    The judge also ordered that Mayor Bloomberg sit for a deposition in New York.
    He should be ordered to give his deposition in South Carolina just the same as us “commoners” would be required.
    When you have to shoot, shoot. Don't talk.
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