ObamaCare Could be Used to Ban Guns in Home Self-Defense - Vote

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Originally Posted by automatic slim

I would put nothing past Comrade Obama and his committee of Czars.

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OMG! You're right!

They're going to use healthcare reform to fund the black helicopters which will drag everyone who supports the second amendment in front of a death panel. After all of us are euthanized, this will support the establishment of a one-world government, which will be run by the UN under the direction of the Tri-Lateral Commission after the Constitution is abolished, all carried out according to the master plans of the Illuminati.

How could we have missed this!

Rod,
You forgot the Masons.....lol.
This is the Death Panel Idiocy, Part 2 .

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How could we have missed this!

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Many of us didnt.:nono:

Its coming...:tinhat2:

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

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Originally Posted by rodc13

OMG! You're right!

They're going to use healthcare reform to fund the black helicopters which will drag everyone who supports the second amendment in front of a death panel. After all of us are euthanized, this will support the establishment of a one-world government, which will be run by the UN under the direction of the Tri-Lateral Commission after the Constitution is abolished, all carried out according to the master plans of the Illuminati.

How could we have missed this!

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+100 :rofl:

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Originally Posted by tinkerinWstuff

No one throws a fit when people with car accidents or speeding tickets pay more for auto insurance.

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While I agree with most of your comments, not a single citizen (or illegal alien) in America is required to drive a car. Owning and operating a vehicle is a choice and a privilege, not a right as many of our friends on the left seem to think healthcare to be.

I can opt out of car insurance. It seems I will not be able to opt out of O-care.

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Originally Posted by Holger

I can opt out of car insurance.

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General liability is mandatory.

Not if I choose not to drive or own a car.

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Originally Posted by Patti

General liability is mandatory.

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General liability is required only on a vehicle; not on a persons privilege to drive (ie. you can have a drivers license all day long without auto insurance). There are millions of people with licenses that do not own cars to insure. They commonly get behind the wheel of someone else's car without checking to see if it is insured and that is how we arrive at the need to pay extra for the other guy yet again in the form of underinsured/noninsured drivers coverage. I have no idea how this relates to Obama-care though besides the continued distribution of wealth policies though. Seems if it were a 2A issue the private insurers that practice this police like State Farm would have been sued already.

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Originally Posted by Patti

General liability is mandatory.

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Mandatory auto insurance is a commie socialist government plot to register cars which may possibly be used to store firearms. By tracking the motor vehicles, the one world government will be able to locate which trunks have guns in them, then come and confiscate them during routine traffic stops. This is a major threat to the 2nd Amendment which must be counteracted! Go ASAP to your state capitals and burn your insurance policies! Don't let big government dictate fiscal responsibility! The next thing they'll require is homeowners insurance if you've got a mortgage, then they'll really have you where you live. After all, most gun owners keep them in their houses . . . think about it.

rod, your first attempt at humor fell flat, too. We say waaaaay more moonbattery out of your compatriots on the left over the past 8 years than anything we're seeing now.

When you run out of ideas, mock your opponents. Didn't take you long to exhaust your intellectual capital, I see.

This is the funniest thread, ever!

In the world that I dream about, it would be possible to have a rational discussion on health care in the US without the fear mongering from either side of the aisle.

There is a well-known technique in marketing called FUD.

F = Fear
U = Uncertainty
D = Doubt

It's a great way to sell people on stuff. And it is what the right and the left are trying to do to sell their agenda on this issue.

Can we go back to discussing how Obama is gonna kill my grandma? :image035:

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Originally Posted by Holger

rod, your first attempt at humor fell flat, too. We say waaaaay more moonbattery out of your compatriots on the left over the past 8 years than anything we're seeing now.

When you run out of ideas, mock your opponents. Didn't take you long to exhaust your intellectual capital, I see.

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I thought Rod was funny!

And I have no opponents as I have yet to formulate an opinion.

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Originally Posted by rodc13

Mandatory auto insurance is a commie socialist government plot to register cars which may possibly be used to store firearms. By tracking the motor vehicles, the one world government will be able to locate which trunks have guns in them, then come and confiscate them during routine traffic stops. This is a major threat to the 2nd Amendment which must be counteracted! Go ASAP to your state capitals and burn your insurance policies! Don't let big government dictate fiscal responsibility! The next thing they'll require is homeowners insurance if you've got a mortgage, then they'll really have you where you live. After all, most gun owners keep them in their houses . . . think about it.

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Rod! This is the second time on this thread you cracked me up:rofl:
keep up the good work on the stupidity of it all :hand2:
I'm not getting involved because 1.My signature puts me at a great disadvantage and 2. my wife will kill me for debating politics on forums (cause she nows how I can get) -e

All I can say is I have lost a ton or respect for Grass Roots NC (and they were on my short list for getting a donation). Talk about fear mongering. As others have said, there is plenty enough wrong with the proposed health care reform bills as they are without trying to make this a 2A case.

Complete intellectual dishonesty to try to connect those dots.

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Originally Posted by Holger

While I agree with most of your comments, not a single citizen (or illegal alien) in America is required to drive a car. Owning and operating a vehicle is a choice and a privilege, not a right as many of our friends on the left seem to think healthcare to be.

I can opt out of car insurance. It seems I will not be able to opt out of O-care.

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You completely missed my point. Although I wasn't very clear and just hung that statement out in thin air. I was taking a stab at the statement near the beginning of the OP that said:

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Of special note, such
shenanigans are already being deployed in North Carolina with the
state employees' health plan to control personal behavior. As was
announced this week, both smokers and the obese will be charged higher
premiums on their health insurance. Do you want the state or federal
government deciding your lifestyle?

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So my statement was wondering why it's different that purchasers of auto insurance pay more with a record of accidents and speeding tickets? It's generally accepted that you pay for the consiquences of your life choices - but not when it comes to health care?

I find it interesting that the "gun crowd" who, when asked "why do you need a gun?" will usually respond with "take responsibility for your own safety." Is paying more for lifestyle choices (which have proven to cost the system more money) really "shenanigans" to "control" behavior? If people make lifestyle choices to end up in a high risk catagory then they likewise "choose" to pay more. That's how the free market works. When everyone else subsidises the choices of others then you have a version of a socialistic system.

Remember, we are talking about choices, not people being dealt a bad hand....