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    ATTN: Va CCers - Carry in Restaurants that serve alcohol

    Just wanted to let you know that both of our candidates for governor are FOR allowing CC permit holders carry in restaurants that serve alcohol.

    Twice in the last several years legislation was approved by the state congress to allow this, however; both times it was vetoed by Gov Tim Kaine and Mark Warner respectively.

    It looks like in the next couple years its finally gonna happen

    Struggling to find a link at the moment to prove but this is close enough. FYI don't read anything the author of this column writes unless you hate the 2nd amendment.

    "Deeds and McDonnell, each of you has said that if elected, you would sign legislation allowing concealed-carry permit holders to take their hidden weapons into establishments that serve alcohol, provided those gun-packers don't imbibe."

    It's time for some tough questions in gubernatorial debate - Roanoke.com
    Go Hokies!!!

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    Yea, that guy from the Roanoke Times is a super anti.

    I don't know why the good folks of the Roanoke area put up with this tool?
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    Dan Casey is all in hysterics about this. He neglects to mention that 39 other states already allow CCW in restaurants and there is no blood flowing in the streets.
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    A bit more info here

    Va. gun rights group endorses GOP top three - Virginia Politics -

    Va. gun rights group endorses GOP top three
    A gun-rights political action committee in Virginia has given its endorsement to the GOP's top three candidates this year, partly because none of the Democrats completed the group's candidate survey, its chairman said Wednesday.

    The blessing from VCDL PAC, which is affiliated with the Virginia Citizens Defense League, is not exactly a surprise. The National Rifle Association's political wing has also given its seal of approval to Republicans Robert F. McDonnell, who is running for governor; Lt. Gov. Bill Bolling, who is seeking reelection; and Attorney General candidate Ken Cuccinelli.

    But the VCDL's leaders say their group does not follow the NRA in lockstep. They said the VCDL, which claims about 5,000 dues-paying members and an email list of at least 13,000, has endorsed Democrats and independent candidates in the past. And the statewide gun-rights PAC could back some non GOP candidates when it issues its list of endorsements in House of Delegate contests next week, said VCDL PAC chairman Kenneth "Mack" Elliott. But he said the VCDL PAC's rules prohibit endorsing anyone who has not filled out the survey, and they are not sure why none of the top three Democrats did.

    "Quite honestly, we're baffled," said Philip Van Cleave, president of the VCDL. He said Gov. Timothy M. Kaine and Democratic gubernatorial candidate state Sen. R. Creigh Deeds had filled them out in the past.

    Deeds received the NRA Political Victory Fund's endorsement in his previous matchup against McDonnell in the 2005 Attorney General race, a decision based on his previous legislative record supporting gun rights. Many gun owners liked Deeds' sponsorship of a state constitutional amendment protecting the right to hunt and fish and his vote against former Gov. Douglas Wilder's ban on buying more than one handgun per month.

    McDonnell, then a lawmaker based in Virginia Beach, had supported the ban.

    But some gun owners have switched their allegiance to McDonnell in this year's gubernatorial campaign, largely because Deeds has promised to close the so-called gun show loophole.

    In contrast, McDonnell has said he opposes requiring all private sellers at gun shows to conduct background checks on prospective buyers. He now says he would also support repealing the one-handgun-per-month law because instant background checks no longer make it necessary.

    After examining the surveys and legislative records for the Deeds-McDonnell AG race, the VCDL PAC sat on its hands until almost the last minute, Elliott said. Then the Deeds camp noticed on the VCDL's Web site that one of Deeds' responses was incorrect. After reevaluating the surveys, the VCDL PAC gave its nod to McDonnell, who won by only 360 votes.

    "I think it certainly had an impact," Elliott said.

    The NRA Political Victory Fund has poured $26,700 into Virginia's political races this year, 94 percent of which went to the GOP, according to the Virginia Public Access Project.

    VPAP says the VCDL has $24,864 on hand and has given $500 this year, all of which went to Cuccinelli.

    --Fredrick Kunkle

    Va Democrats Fail To Respond To VCDL Survey What Are They Hiding?

    Va Democrats Fail To Respond To VCDL Survey What Are They Hiding?
    Tuesday, October 6th, 2009 at 12:20 pm

    Virginia Democrats Fail To Respond To Virginia Citizens Defense League Survey What Are They Hiding?
    Why don’t they want you to know their position?

    Virginia - -(AmmoLand.com)- The VCDL 2009 Statewide Candidate Surveys were mailed quite some time ago to all six candidates running for statewide office.

    All three Republican candidates have responded to the VCDL survey. Unfortunately, none of the Democrats have responded.

    What are they hiding? Why are they afraid to publicly take a position on this important issue? Why don’t they want you to know their position?

    Failure to return a completed survey frequently indicates indifference, if not outright hostility, toward the Right to Keep and Bear Arms.

    Below, I have listed the candidates who have NOT responded to the VCDL Statewide Candidate Survey.

    •Governor: Creigh Deeds creigh@deedsforvirginia.com 571-303-2260
    •Lt Governor: Jody Wagner jody.wagner@jodyforva.com 757-325-9608
    •Attorney General: Steve Shannon Contact | Steve Shannon for Virginia Attorney General 703-218-3501
    Please contact the campaigns of each candidate by BOTH email AND phone and urge them to answer the VCDL survey.

    Don’t accept vague generalizations such as “the candidate supports the 2nd Amendment”. Remember, anti-gun zealot Chuck Schumer can probably say that he supports the 2nd Amendment, but his view is that it does NOT apply to you.

    Find out what their real positions are by politely and firmly insisting that they complete the VCDL survey and send it in immediately. If they have misplaced their survey, have them contact me at vp@vcdl.org and I’ll email them another copy.

    Thanks for your help!

    About:
    Virginia Citizens Defense League, Inc. (VCDL). VCDL is an all-volunteer, non-partisan grassroots organization dedicated to defending the human rights of all Virginians. The Right to Keep and Bear Arms is a fundamental human right.
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    I've been commenting for several months there, arguing with both Dan directly, as well as some of his regular commenters (I'm "Jason" if you wish to go back and follow the debate).

    Dan is not quite as fervently "anti" as he is being painted here; most importantly, he is the type of person that will listen and can have his mind changed. But it is definitely fair to say that he has an emotional blind spot to this particular issue. I've hit him over and over and over with the facts and that this is already the law elsewhere (both in comments and in personal email) and he basically has no answer. Just a few days ago I sent him a column by the Atlanta Gun Examiner about the one year anniversary of the enactment of their bar and restaurant carry law. The column pointed out that the fears of chaos of course have not come true. Dan said that he was going to write a column soon including the article I sent him as part.

    Dan is fair. If you go there and comment you will be heard. He virtually never deletes or edits posts and when he does, it's almost always due to profanity.

    So feel free to go and comment, but keep in mind that you represent the RKBA cause. Stay on topic, don't insult, cite good facts, etc. And understand that Dan is not against CCW in bars because he wants world government or is a Marxist -- it's because despite however many times the facts have been jammed in his face, he genuinely fears the "drunken shootout" scenario.

    Note: there is one oddity of his posting system -- when you post, it looks like it shows up instantly, but it doesn't really until he approves it. During the day and evening, this usually happens pretty quickly, and like I said, virtually all posts get approved, just thought I'd mention it as it causes some confusion.

    P.S.- To save you some time and sanity, don't argue any gun issue with Sandi Saunders. Just act like her posts don't exist. Trust me. Learn from my mistakes.

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    We have some stupid laws in Va. to begin with but this one about takes the cake. You can do the "Virginia tuck" (open carry) and drink till you're stupid drunk (if you're so inclined). But you can't carry concealed.

    The legislation that has passed overwhelmingly in the General Assembly has indicated even that consumption of alcohol would be prohibited if carrying concealed which is perfectly fine with me.

    The problem lies with our part-time governor and full-time DNC chairman Timmy. His time is short thankfully but I'm still giving my support to "Bob" on 11/3.

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    Thumbs up A good sign re: the race

    washingtonpost.com

    Deeds ignored advice, White House says
    Top Democrats seek to shield Obama in case of election loss


    By Rosalind S. Helderman and Anne E. Kornblut
    Washington Post Staff Writer
    Friday, October 23, 2009

    Sensing that victory in the race for Virginia governor is slipping away, Democrats at the national level are laying the groundwork to blame a loss in a key swing state on a weak candidate who ran a poor campaign that failed to fully embrace President Obama until days before the election.

    Senior administration officials have expressed frustration with how Democrat R. Creigh Deeds has handled his campaign for governor, refusing early offers of strategic advice and failing to reach out to several key constituencies that helped Obama win Virginia in 2008, they say.

    Democratic strategists said that over the summer, Virginia Gov. Timothy M. Kaine (D) offered Deeds advice on winning a statewide election. Among other things, Kaine, who is also chairman of the Democratic National Committee, told Deeds that he should lay out more of his own vision and stop attacking Republican Robert F. McDonnell so ferociously. But Deeds did not embrace the advice, according to a national Democratic strategist.

    A senior administration official said Deeds badly erred on several fronts, including not doing a better job of coordinating with the White House. "I understood in the beginning why there was some reluctance to run all around the state with Barack Obama," said the official, who spoke on condition of anonymity in order to speak candidly about the race. "You don't do that in Virginia. But when you consider the African American turnout that they need, and then when you consider as well they've got a huge problem with surge voters, younger voters, we were just a natural for them."

    A second administration official, who also spoke on condition of anonymity, said: "Obama, Kaine and others had drawn a road map to victory in Virginia. Deeds chose another path."

    A loss for Deeds in Virginia -- which for the first time in decades supported the Democratic presidential candidate in last year's race -- would likely be seen as a sign that Obama's popularity is weakening in critical areas of the country. But the unusual preelection criticism could be an attempt to shield Obama from that narrative by ensuring that Deeds is blamed personally for the loss, particularly given the state's three-decade pattern of backing candidates from the party out of power in the White House.

    Deeds advisers insist the notion that he has distanced himself from Obama isn't true. "We've enjoyed a tremendous relationship with the White House," said Mo Elleithee, a campaign spokesman. "The campaign has worked very closely with them and the DNC and the [Democratic Governors Association] from the very beginning. They have given us just about everything the campaign asked for."

    A key meeting


    An adviser to the Deeds campaign said that on June 17, top campaign staffers held a meeting with the White House political team as well as representatives from the DNC and the Democratic Governors Association at the DGA's Washington offices. They came equipped with some requests of the White House: two visits by the president before Nov. 3, e-mails from the president to his Virginia supporters and a visit from Vice President Biden. Almost all of their requests have been met, the adviser said.

    But national Democrats are contrasting Deeds with New Jersey Gov. Jon S. Corzine and New York congressional candidate Bill Owens, who they say have more actively sought the White House's help and more vigorously and publicly backed its agenda. Polls show Corzine in a competitive position in New Jersey and Owens ahead, while Deeds has turned aggressively to Obama voters in recent days in an effort to overcome a significant deficit in the polls.

    Although Deeds often praises the president on the campaign trail, he has distanced himself from Obama and Democratic policy priorities at times. At a debate in September, he declined the opportunity to label himself an "Obama Democrat." And just this week, he said he did not believe that a public health insurance option is necessary and that as governor he might consider opting out of one if Congress extends that right to states.

    Deeds campaign officials said they're running a centrist campaign, in the mold of previous successful Virginia Democrats.

    Obama will campaign with Deeds in Hampton Roads on Tuesday, and his political organizing group this week sent an e-mail signed by Obama to tens of thousands of Virginia supporters asking that they volunteer for Deeds to keep "the promise of change alive" in the commonwealth. The White House also signed off on a Deeds television commercial released Thursday in which Obama praises him.

    But privately, administration officials said they see almost no way for Deeds to win on Nov. 3

    Asked to respond, a senior Deeds adviser, who spoke on condition of anonymity, said: "I have no interest in doing a postmortem on a race that we're working hard to win and that we think is still winnable. I don't see a need for either side to be critical -- we're all fighting for the same thing."

    Kaine said he spoke at length with Obama about the race on Tuesday, and the governor rejected post-game analysis of a race he said can still be won. "You've got to sprint through the tape," Kaine said. "Quite often, the successful campaign is the one that tunes out the background noise and the doubters. Every campaign has them, and you've got to tune them out and go for the win."

    Wooing key Democrats


    Democrats on both sides of the Potomac River cite prominent Democratic businesswoman Sheila Johnson's endorsement of McDonnell in July as the first sign of trouble in the Deeds campaign. They say Deeds let several weeks go by after his June 9 primary without calling Johnson, the co-founder of Black Entertainment Television and one of Kaine's leading donors.

    A senior Deeds aide said that the Democrat traveled to Johnson's Middleburg ranch in April and that the two did not hit it off. Johnson mostly wanted to talk about her opposition to labor unions, and the aide said Deeds told Johnson that he had concerns about congressional legislation that unions favored, but she seemed unhappy that he was unwilling to "trash" unions.

    The campaign decided after Deeds's primary win that the best approach was to have staffers try to set up another meeting. The aide said Deeds and staffers for Kaine's political action committee tried to reach Johnson a dozen times but that she did not return their calls. Deeds himself did not place a call.

    Johnson declined to comment, but through a spokesman said she didn't remember when Deeds contacted her. She has been actively campaigning for McDonnell and stars in a television ad calling him the better bet to right the economy.

    "She was the canary in the coal mine, not just because of how it might affect African American and women voters, but she's politically savvy -- she saw something going wrong in the campaign," said a national Democratic strategist.

    With Johnson's defection, an endorsement from the nation's first elected black governor, Democrat L. Douglas Wilder, became more essential.

    But as late as August, Deeds's campaign was calling around Richmond looking for a way to reach Wilder, according to a longtime state lobbyist and also Wilder's nephew, Michael Brown.

    "It was a high official within the campaign who called," said Brown, who supports Deeds.

    A Deeds adviser said the state senator placed his first post-primary call to Wilder on June 23, leaving a message, and rejected the idea that the campaign did not know how to reach him.

    The White House also became deeply involved. Obama political director Patrick Gaspard spent two hours with Wilder in July trying to persuade him. Obama made a phone call. Last month, Wilder announced that he would not endorse either candidate in the race, issuing a lengthy statement largely critical of Deeds.


    Staff writers Anita Kumar and Amy Gardner contributed to this report.
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    I can't wait till Nov. 3. For the first time in a long time, I'll not be voting on RKBA issues regarding the Governors race.
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    Yeah I tried to keep my (very strong) personal bias out of the original post. I'm just glad that whoever wins in November we won't have to worry about restaurant concealed carry being vetoed again.

    I've have never seen a more negative campaign than the Deeds campaign. Whats worse is that it has worked to some extent. Even though McDonnell is leading by a large margin at the moment, it was even larger a couple months ago before Deeds went negative. Only recently has Deeds started seeing a backlash from his blatantly false campaign ads.
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    THATS GREAT! We are working on legislation here in Ohio as well that will permit the same thing. Its a real nice feeling to go over to WV and have dinner without having to disarm.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hokiebird View Post
    Yeah I tried to keep my (very strong) personal bias out of the original post. I'm just glad that whoever wins in November we won't have to worry about restaurant concealed carry being vetoed again.
    Maybe, maybe not.

    Politicians, at all levels, are know to not "walk the talk", once elected.

    Also, politicians, at all levels, are known to vote for a bill they know will be vetoed, so as to avoid the wrath of some voters on key issues.

    We have had politicians vote for this measure, yet turnaround and vote against the veto override.

    Anyone in Virginia who wants this bill and other Pro-RKBA bills signed needs to get active.

    See you at VCDL's Lobby day in January.
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    I believe the NRA graded McDonnell an A, and Deeds a B.

    So, Deeds is a tad lukewarm on the 2nd amendment. Perhaps he would sign the restaurant carry legislation, which is good. But I am 100% certain McDonnell would. You never know how people will change after they are elected.

    I am not a big fan of the politics of change.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nova View Post
    I believe the NRA graded McDonnell an A, and Deeds a B.

    So, Deeds is a tad lukewarm on the 2nd amendment. Perhaps he would sign the restaurant carry legislation, which is good. But I am 100% certain McDonnell would. You never know how people will change after they are elected.

    I am not a big fan of the politics of change.
    Yeah, go back a few months and look at how excited I was when Kirsten Gillibrand was appointed to that House seat in New York. She also had an "A" rating from the NRA. You might want to revisit that "100% certainty" you have.

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    Quote Originally Posted by torgo1968 View Post
    Yeah, go back a few months and look at how excited I was when Kirsten Gillibrand was appointed to that House seat in New York. She also had an "A" rating from the NRA. You might want to revisit that "100% certainty" you have.


    That's why we can't assume anything about the upcoming legislative session and need a big turnout for Lobby Day.

    FWIIW -- I've been told that the secret formula the NRA uses to grade is State-specific -- e.g., an "A" in NY might be a "C" in TX and vice versa
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