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    There is no federal permit to carry available to private citizens. Each state permit has a different set of reciprocal agreements with other states. When flying over a state, state laws apply unless explicitly overridden by federal law. There is no practical way right now for concealed carry to be legally possible even if the feds allowed it. Think about transfers in Chicago for example and Illinois law about concealed permits from other states not being honored.


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    If we had majority rule, I'd bet we wouldn't prevail. I'm ok with that. I don't think the 2A is an iron clad right in every situation. IMO this is one of those.
    I think that the 2A either is or it aint.
    Which one is it?
    Like every other right, once you chop a little here or chop a little there, after a period of time,eventually you have none.

    We are already peicemealed enough.

    Schools,Churchs,Amtraks,Banks,Federal Buildings, State Buildings,any wherea a legislature meets,Aircraft, Ships, eventually the only place left will be where it dosent do much good,in your house.

    How about we establish an airline that is OK with armed travel? Hypothetically speaking of course, because we know with the yahoos in office that we have now, it'll never happen. But lets just play along and dream...

    You go to the airport and the left lane takes you to an aircraft where you can carry your gun,and you dont get harassed over fingernail clippers.

    Take the right lane and disarm yourself, removing everything, belts, clippers, even stiff socks.No body goes armed. But to make it better, every 100th flight will have an Air Marshal on it for protection.

    Which one would you take?

    Which one would you attempt to hijack?
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    There is no federal permit to carry available to private citizens. Each state permit has a different set of reciprocal agreements with other states. When flying over a state, state laws apply unless explicitly overridden by federal law. There is no practical way right now for concealed carry to be legally possible even if the feds allowed it. Think about transfers in Chicago for example and Illinois law about concealed permits from other states not being honored.
    Good Point.

    Perhaps a national boycott would attract enough attention to make the offenders consider change.

    Why should my life be OK in Dallas, but worthless in Chicago?
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    Quote Originally Posted by HotGuns View Post
    Which one would you take?

    Which one would you attempt to hijack?
    If I were a hijacker the one that allowed me and my buddies on board with my weapons.

    A highly trained and practiced set of people on a defined mission with a well understood opponent will overcome an untrained set of random individuals. The goal is to gain control of the aircraft to use it as a weapon. They will succeed.

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    I'll agree with that up to a point.

    If two highly trained,highly motivated individuals that wanted to make a statement for allah did manage to get a couple of weapons, unless they knew who exactly had them, there would still be a big unknown there, a big question mark.

    Starting a fight in a plane with everyone armed isnt smart. On the other hand, if you could smuggle a few guns on to the plane where everyone was unarmed, you would be pretty much guaranteed success.

    I'll take a small chance of hope over none every time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BurgDog View Post
    There is no federal permit to carry available to private citizens. Each state permit has a different set of reciprocal agreements with other states. When flying over a state, state laws apply unless explicitly overridden by federal law. There is no practical way right now for concealed carry to be legally possible even if the feds allowed it. Think about transfers in Chicago for example and Illinois law about concealed permits from other states not being honored.
    Excellent point. States do have "air rights" this is not an angle I had looked at. This in and of itself would be an administrative nightmare even if you flew an airline that permitted it.

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    As it stands and without too much specificity, there is a mechanism in place such that armed personnel are informed of other armed personnel, if any, on a given flight; who they are, who they're with, where they are seated, etc.

    I do not see the general public being made privy to the mechanism, or a similar one. I also do not see it being removed any time soon to allow for the anonymous carrying of firearms by everyone in the aircraft environment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by swinokur View Post
    I do not want possibly untrained and inexperienced gun carrier getting in a gun fight at 35000 feet in close quarters or on a train either. Too many uncontrollable variables. As I said, the folks who don't want carry probably outnumber those that do and therefore I would think they have just as much right to not want it as we perceive we should. If we had majority rule, I'd bet we wouldn't prevail. I'm ok with that. I don't think the 2A is an iron clad right in every situation. IMO this is one of those.
    I agree with this statement. In fact, I don't want a possibly untrained and inexperienced gun carrier getting in a gun fight in McDonalds, a mall, or a bar, either. The folks who don't want us to carry in those places outnumber us, and as such, we shouldn't prevail in our desire to carry. And like you, I'm okay with that. Maybe we should just scrap this whole 2A thing since the majority might be uncomfortable with possibly untrained people carrying, much as you are. It's not an iron clad right like you said.

    We should leave our protection to the trained and experienced people, like cops and air marshals in ALL situations we might encounter. Too much risk and too many variables to allow otherwise.

    Of course, I don't really feel that way and I hope you don't, either. Be careful how you phrase your opposition to carrying on commercial carriers. The anti-gunners can easily co-opt your language to apply in all situations and point to YOU as a gun owner who agrees with them in erasing the 2A.

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    After hearing about this?

    http://www.defensivecarry.com/vbulle...k-detroit.html

    You bet I have a problem with not being able to carry on a plane. I'll fly again when I grow my own set of wings.
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    The Line Between Carrying and Not Carrying and Airplanes

    I have no problem with checking my gun while I am traveling in the cabin and my pistole is in the cargo hold.

    Where I have a problem with airports are the ones that create a No Gun/Helpless Victim Zone between the doors into the terminal building and the TSA types that control entry into the sterile area.

    If I am not boarding a plane, and I am in the area outside of the Sterile one, I should be able to carry. I can in Pittsburgh and Philly, but not Orlando.

    Go figure.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Holger View Post
    I agree with this statement. In fact, I don't want a possibly untrained and inexperienced gun carrier getting in a gun fight in McDonalds, a mall, or a bar, either. The folks who don't want us to carry in those places outnumber us, and as such, we shouldn't prevail in our desire to carry. And like you, I'm okay with that. Maybe we should just scrap this whole 2A thing since the majority might be uncomfortable with possibly untrained people carrying, much as you are. It's not an iron clad right like you said.

    We should leave our protection to the trained and experienced people, like cops and air marshals in ALL situations we might encounter. Too much risk and too many variables to allow otherwise.

    Of course, I don't really feel that way and I hope you don't, either. Be careful how you phrase your opposition to carrying on commercial carriers. The anti-gunners can easily co-opt your language to apply in all situations and point to YOU as a gun owner who agrees with them in erasing the 2A.
    One of the 2A issues is that the founding fathers had no inkling about self defense in a pressurized tube going going 500 MPH at 35000 feet.

    I'd prefer a system that guarantees NO ONE is armed and puts us all on a level playing field. Unfortunately it seems no one can do that, especially the Europeans. (See previous post from Rugergirl)

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    First of, I am in no way connected to any part of any Law Enforcement system or agency, this is solely a bankers thoughts.

    As it has been said, Air Marshals is not on all flights in and out of the USA. That is sad, since it is basically a question of finances?! After the Delta/ Northwest incident the suspect was a no fly list, if all information is correct. Call me ignorant, but please bear with me for a second..

    To me it seems like that there is a general problem between the Federal Agencies when it comes to "working together and sharing information". I do see the point of avoiding a wild cabin shoot out. But what if there was established some sort of Federal regulated school or training facility for law abiding citizen that has proved outstanding marksmanship and capability to carry concealed? Like a "civilian version of the Air Marshals"? I mean, since the security system that is use right now has so large open holes, is it not time that we all start thinking outside the box and started to work together?

    It is not always hand to hand combat or a small knife will fix any problem..

    That being said, what is the procedures for off duty Law Enforcement Officer as far as carrying on a flight? Can they carry all ready?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Olsen View Post
    That being said, what is the procedures for off duty Law Enforcement Officer as far as carrying on a flight? Can they carry all ready?
    Federal agents can carry. After you show your badge to the ticket agent, he/she asks if you're carrying. If you are, you need to fill out a form and then proceed with no problem.
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    Just saw on Fox News that Reagan National's 1st floor is under water.

    Good grief.

    What a mess.
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