Karl Malone's anti-carry editorial in SI

Karl Malone's anti-carry editorial in SI

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    Karl Malone's anti-carry editorial in SI

    At first, I was liking where the article was going, but then he made a few points that really made me wince and totally turned me off. It is unfortunate, because he is probably one of the more level headed guys I've seen from the NBA; in addition, he was an NRA spokesman! He does not seem to be representing everything the NRA stands for to the fullest.

    But, I know that there are NRA members like him. I don't want to put words in his mouth, but the type who believe we should have only double barrel shotguns and single shot rifles; that guns are only for "hunting," and that the thought of carrying a firearm on your person is a ridiculous one. And, the real kicker - that firearms ownership is a "privilege" - no it is most certainly NOT! It is an inalienable and self-evident RIGHT

    Sad. I still am glad he's not totally anti-gun, but... still. He basically berates anyone who actually carries or owns a gun for protection. How is that wrong? If "they're going to get you" anyway, then why does he have a gun in his vehicle? Why does he have a concealed carry permit?

    No one carries a gun because they "expect" to be in a confrontation. If we all knew the exact times when we would end up being confronted by a criminal, then obviously we would avoid such situations. But we cannot; they choose the time and place. Concealed carriers don't go out looking for a fight; they're just prepared to end it with their own lives hopefully still intact, if god forbid it does happen.

    Karl Malone offers thoughts on alleged Gilbert Arenas-gun report - NBA - SI.com

    Former NBA star Karl Malone is an avid hunter who publicly declared his advocacy of the right to bear arms by becoming a spokesman for the National Rifle Association. SI.com asked Malone for his thoughts on the situation involving three-time All-Star Gilbert Arenas, who acknowledged Monday that he stored unloaded guns at the Verizon Center in Washington, D.C., and said he displayed them in front of Wizards teammate as "a misguided effort to play a joke."

    The report that Arenas and teammate Javaris Crittenton had allegedly pulled guns on each other was one of the worst things I've ever seen come across the TV. All the years I played, I've never heard of anything like this alleged incident or of a player bringing guns into the locker room. Doing that in the locker room, with so much that can happen? It's one of those things you just don't do. I can't make any sense of that. You can't tell me one good thing that can happen with a gun in an arena, but I can tell you a thousand bad things.

    If I'm a player on that team, of course, I'm saying to those guys, "What the hell are you doing?" Even if, as Arenas insists, he brought the guns to the arena because he wanted them away from his children at home, I wouldn't have bought that excuse. Buy a safe. Put them in there. End of story.

    The NBA can't sweep something like that under the rug. To me, this is another example of a dark cloud that we can never seem to get over. When I say "we," I mean the NBA. I'm still an NBA player; I'm just retired. The amazing thing to me is, it seems just when the league has a little bit of positivity, then we have one big negative and it reflects on all the players. Now people think every NBA player is carrying firearms into the locker room. I guess the next thing is that instead of us walking around those metal detectors in arenas, we should start walking through them. So many kids are doing it the right way in the league, but you get linked with one guy making one mistake.

    This is bigger than a guns-in-the-locker-room story, because supposedly the alleged altercation stemmed from a gambling debt. I used to play cards with teammates, and you're not just playing for the sake of it. You're playing for money, but I never won or lost to the point I was angry with my teammates and wanted to fight or pull a gun.

    With regard to discipline, commissioner David Stern is the only one who can attempt to fix this, and he has to be the one to make the statement -- in the same way that Roger Goodell treats disciplinary situations with the NFL. I absolutely love the way Goodell handles things. I know people don't really like what Goodell has done in certain cases, but they respect him because he'll tell you why he did it. I don't want to seem like I'm bashing Stern, because I'm not, but that's what people want to see.

    I don't want to see Arenas made an example of, but this is not just a minor situation, and if we say that, it's ridiculous. This is one of those times that the league needs to say, "We will not condone this." Guys need to be proud of being an NBA player. Being in the NBA is a great thing. The league owes us nothing. We owe what we have to the NBA. Take your job seriously, have a sense of urgency to get people back in the stands. People are waiting to see how the commissioner handles it. They don't want to hear from anyone but him.

    I like Arenas, but his initial reaction to this, in which he downplayed the seriousness of having guns in the locker room, was all wrong. It's wrong to make light of a firearm. That's when mistakes are made. 'Fess up, and don't blow it off like it wasn't a mistake. Say, "I made a terrible mistake with a gun. I need to make it right." This is nothing to be laughing about.

    Once again, gun owners get a bad rap. We're good people; we're not back in the Old West. I got my first gun when I was 8 years old -- an old .410 single shot. I've been around them all the time ever since, and I'm a member of the NRA. I love guns, and I respect guns. I have them in a secure place. When I was in Utah, I took all the necessary training with the gun and had my concealed-weapons permit, and I'll be the first to tell you I don't go anywhere in my vehicle without my weapon, but at no point has it ever occurred to me to take it inside anywhere, let alone an arena.

    Unfortunately, we always hear bad things about guns. But guns don't kill people -- people kill people. I'm not saying that everybody should have guns, but I will tell you this: If you're willing to go through the training and proper procedure to have guns, then they're fine.

    But if I were a gun dealer and somebody walked in and said, "I want this for protection," I don't know if I would sell it to that person, because that person's only thinking about another confrontation. The people who get threatened or cut off in their car and think about their guns are the people who don't need a gun. My grandfather, Leonard Jackson, once told me, "Karl, remember this, son: If you ever pull a gun, be prepared to fire that gun, because the person you pull that gun on has every right to pull a gun on you." He told me that when I was 6 and I didn't even have a gun yet.

    The big picture is that guns won't protect you. If someone really wanted to get you, they would. If you still feel you need that protection, get yourself a bodyguard who knows the rules and knows the laws. How about you do all of that before you even consider having a gun? For you to say you need a gun for your protection? My goodness gracious, how are you living that you need that? I don't know where all these guys grew up, or who wants to do something to them, but be honest about why you want it. If you need a gun for that, that's for all the wrong reasons and something bad will come from it.

    If I seem a little fired up, I am. It's a privilege to own a firearm and I take offense when people don't handle their business the right way.


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    Not too much I disagree with in Mr. Malone's article.

    I believe you should be able to own any firearm you want, including fully automatic, but before you carry that gun in public I want to be assured that you know when and how to use it.

    I don't want some moron shooting someone I love because they didn't know how to properly handle their weapon, or didn't know when or under what conditions there were justified in using their gun.

    In short I do support more training before you can carry in public. The thing is, I believe it should be mandatory training taught for free instead of having to pay for a class. If the government requires the training, the government should provide the training.

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    Mr Malone doesn't have to good of a grasp on why normal people carry - we don't do it because some one particular is out to get us necesarily (most of us dont live in the ghetto), more because violent crime can happen anywhere to any one and we refuse to be a victim. I think he is on the right path, jut not very far down it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by usmc3169 View Post
    Mr Malone doesn't have to good of a grasp on why normal people carry.

    ...... he's lived most of his adult life making LOTs of money playing a game that children, and many adults, play for free, or pay to play.

    "If you still feel you need that protection, get yourself a bodyguard who knows the rules and knows the laws. How about you do all of that before you even consider having a gun? For you to say you need a gun for your protection? My goodness gracious, how are you living that you need that? "

    I can only assume he's addressing other NBA players in this article.

    I know as fact that most of 'us' won't be affording the expense of a bodyguard anytime soon.
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    We aren't in the Old West. That is what the antis say when LTC legislation is proposed in Illinois. Get a body guard, great idea for politicians or the rich. Those like Mayor Daley of Chicago who have body guards want to prohibit others from being able to protect themselves. In Illinois there is a provision for Mayors, Alderman, Village Presidents and trustees to carry. Rumors are that Daley does.

    This past year two women were severely beaten when two men broke into a church one afternoon. Being this was in "right denied" Illinois, neither had a handgun for defense. However one of the women did have an non-resident LTC from another state.

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    [QUOTE=paul34;1443808]And, the real kicker - that firearms ownership is a "privilege" - no it is most certainly NOT! It is an inalienable and self-evident RIGHT [QUOTE]

    Not if you commit a felony! I agree with him (for your safety and mine).

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    +1 Goldenshellback. I thought that the humorous part of the article was his statement about hiring a bodyguard. That works just fine for Gilbert Arenas, but not for people who don't play in the NBA! If I could afford a bodyguard then that might be an option, but range time with my XD and in kenpo are all I have. When I can get a 24/7 security detail for $100/month, then I will take that option. Until then, Mr. Malone, please don't opine on the average person when you don't know how the average person lives.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MinistrMalic View Post
    +1 Goldenshellback. I thought that the humorous part of the article was his statement about hiring a bodyguard. That works just fine for Gilbert Arenas, but not for people who don't play in the NBA! If I could afford a bodyguard then that might be an option, but range time with my XD and in kenpo are all I have. When I can get a 24/7 security detail for $100/month, then I will take that option. Until then, Mr. Malone, please don't opine on the average person when you don't know how the average person lives.
    - His last statements don't seem to be directed to the average Joe.

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    Having a body guard instead, would have probably kept burress on the field

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    Malone is out of touch with the real world, and the rational considerations average people have when they choose to own and carry firearms for personal protection.
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    If I had Malone's money I probably couldn't understand why anyone would carry a gun. That's what gun bearers are for.
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    Quote Originally Posted by goldshellback View Post
    ...I can only assume he's addressing other NBA players in this article...
    I think the whole article has to be read with that in mind. For example, if someone comes into a gun store to buy a gun for protection, I'm thinking protection from what might be a good follow up question.

    Not saying I agree with his last statement. Most likely some of the places he has a CC permit for, it is labled as a privilege.

    I'm sure after a few minutes, he could have clarified what he was trying to state better. He gets a pass from me on the issue. I'm marking it off as poorly worded.
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    Who in the NBA is known as a Rocket Surgeon and a Brain Scientist?

    'Nuff said.

    he's addressing other NBA players in this article...
    And they read SI?


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    Quote Originally Posted by BikerRN View Post
    Not too much I disagree with in Mr. Malone's article.

    I believe you should be able to own any firearm you want, including fully automatic, but before you carry that gun in public I want to be assured that you know when and how to use it.

    I don't want some moron shooting someone I love because they didn't know how to properly handle their weapon, or didn't know when or under what conditions there were justified in using their gun.

    In short I do support more training before you can carry in public. The thing is, I believe it should be mandatory training taught for free instead of having to pay for a class. If the government requires the training, the government should provide the training.

    Biker
    yeah... and where exactly does that "free" training come from? We'd all be paying for it one way or another. There's no such thing as free. If you're partaking of a "service" and not paying, then it's being paid of the back of some other poor schmuck.

    Sorry...any talk of anything "free" from the government gets my skivvies in a wad...
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    Sorry...any talk of anything "free" from the government gets my skivvies in a wad...
    Yep. The only weapon training the government should provide is at Paris Island or the equivalent.


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