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    God help us if this comes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by frankmako
    God help us if this comes.

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    Exclamation You Get The Government You Deserve

    Quote Originally Posted by Steelhorse
    It very much does matter who is in the White House......just as it matters who is in every other Federal and State office.
    I said ALMOST! Dang.... I'm pointing out that in a WORST case scenario all is not lost!

    I am very active locally, for all level offices. I work the phones for my candidates, I drive folks to the polls. I bust my tail. It's an example for my students and as I ALWAYS tell them, if you don't at least vote you really have no moral grounds to complain about the results. Even if you're too young to vote or can't by citizenship, you can volunteer and be a grunt. Every little bit helps. But they never listen, I think. lol But voting is the minimum! You get the government you deserve and the level of judgment rests on the vote.
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    I see that LaPierre thinks more highly of the heathens in the U.N. than I do....

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    Both parties suck right now. The pinko lefties want to take away our rights. They are pansies when it comes to terrorism. The Republicans are burying their heads in the sand over immigration. They also could give a $**t less if you and I are paying $4.00 or more at the pumps, because most are being "lobbied" by the rich oil industry. If we don't get some true leadership and solutions quickly, then you can just watch the walls crumble. History has a funny way of repeating itself......if we are not careful we will fall in much the same way that the Romans did. There is so much greed and corruption. Social ills like the Crystal Meth scourge that is destroying small town America. We are being invaded by illegals in what is being called "The Quiet Revolution." We are so in debt that I wonder just how much it is going to take for the economic bubble to burst. The spin doctors in Washington tell us the economy is fine, but when I turn on the news or talk to a friend, all I hear about is job cuts. Heck, my wife just lost her job. People, it is time to wake up! We are being lied to by both sides! We all need, myself included, to jump on our representatives hides and tell them we are not going to take this anymore.

    I'm getting off my soapbox now. Please don't flame me, but I am just another p!$$ed off, overworked, underpaid, overtaxed, underappreciated, middle class guy trying to take care of his family.
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    Exclamation Amen!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by Doc Holliday
    Both parties suck right now. The pinko lefties want to take away our rights. They are pansies when it comes to terrorism. The Republicans are burying their heads in the sand over immigration. They also could give a $**t less if you and I are paying $4.00 or more at the pumps, because most are being "lobbied" by the rich oil industry. If we don't get some true leadership and solutions quickly, then you can just watch the walls crumble. History has a funny way of repeating itself......if we are not careful we will fall in much the same way that the Romans did. There is so much greed and corruption. Social ills like the Crystal Meth scourge that is destroying small town America. We are being invaded by illegals in what is being called "The Quiet Revolution." We are so in debt that I wonder just how much it is going to take for the economic bubble to burst. The spin doctors in Washington tell us the economy is fine, but when I turn on the news or talk to a friend, all I hear about is job cuts. Heck, my wife just lost her job. People, it is time to wake up! We are being lied to by both sides! We all need, myself included, to jump on our representatives hides and tell them we are not going to take this anymore.

    I'm getting off my soapbox now. Please don't flame me, but I am just another p!$$ed off, overworked, underpaid, overtaxed, underappreciated, middle class guy trying to take care of his family.
    ME TOO! WELL SAID & Amen!
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    Also remember that there are such a thing as an Executive Order. The POTUS can with the sweep of a pen impact just about everything.
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    Exclamation The Mechanism by Which the NWO can be Created...

    Quote Originally Posted by dpesec
    Also remember that there are such a thing as an Executive Order. The POTUS can with the sweep of a pen impact just about everything.
    I think I posted these before, but just for the new guys....take a gander at THIS:

    FEMA was created in a series of Executive Orders. A Presidential Executive Order, whether Constitutional or not, becomes law simply by its publication in the Federal Register. Congress is by-passed.

    Executive Order Number 12148 created the Federal Emergency Management Agency that is to interface with the Department of Defense for civil defense planning and funding. An "emergency czar" was appointed. FEMA had spent only about 6 percent of its budget on national emergencies while the bulk of their funding had been used for the construction of ground facilities to ensure continuity of government in case of a major emergency, foreign or domestic.

    Executive Order Number 12656 appointed the National Security Council as the principal body that should consider emergency powers. [I]This allows the government to increase domestic intelligence and surveillance of U.S. citizens and would restrict the freedom of movement within the United States and grant the government the right to isolate large groups of civilians. The National Guard could be federalized to seal all borders[I] and take control of U.S. air space and all ports of entry.

    Here are just a few Executive Orders associated with FEMA that would suspend the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. These Executive Orders have been on record for nearly 30 years and could be enacted by the stroke of a Presidential pen:

    EXECUTIVE ORDER 10990 ( 27 F.R. 1527 ) allows Secretary of Transportation to take over ALL modes of transportation and control of highways and seaports. It also gives the Secretary of Commerce full control of the production and distribution of ALL construction materials, gas, oil, and power as well as ALL civilian, private aviation facilities, highways and seaports.

    EXECUTIVE ORDER 10995 ( 27 F.R. 1519 ) allows the government to seize and control the communication media. It establishes the Telecommunications Management Agency that provides for the "takeover" of ALL communications media in the United States. This includes broadcast and cable television, ALL radio stations, ALL satelite earth stations and satelites and ALL telephone companies and telephone systems in the United States.

    EXECUTIVE ORDER 10997 ( 27 F.R. 1522 ) allows the government to take over ALL electrical power, gas, petroleum, fuels and minerals. In other words, ALL sources of energy.


    EXECUTIVE ORDER 10998 ( 27 F.R. 1524 ) allows the Secretary of Agriculture to take over ALL food resources and farms and farm equipment. This means that all privately owned farmland and food resources will be commandeered by the Federal Government, together with all farm implements and equipment used to work this land. ALL will become the properety of the Federal Government.

    EXECUTIVE ORDER 11000 ( 27 F.R. 1532 ) allows the Secretary of Labor to "mobilize" civilians into work brigades under government supervision. That’s right, every working American will be under the direct supervision of the Federal Government. Where you work now or want to work in the future is not a consideration. You will be required to work where you are told to work. Have you ever considered the term "slave labor"?

    EXECUTIVE ORDER 11001 ( 27 F.R. 1534 ) allows the Secretary of Health, Education and Welfare to control ALL health services, doctors, hospitals, etc., ALL welfare services and All educational programs and facilities, public and private.

    EXECUTIVE ORDER 11002 ( 27 F.R. 1539 ) designates the Postmaster General to operate a national registration of ALL persons in the United States. This will account for every American, his or her location and "status".

    EXECUTIVE ORDER 11003 ( 27 F.R. 1540 ) empowers the Federal Aviation Administration to take over ALL airports and commandeer ALL aircraft, including private and commercial aircraft.

    EXECUTIVE ORDER 11004 ( 27 F.R. 1542 ) establishes the authority for the Federal Housing Administration (FHA) to take control of ALL housing, lodging and community facilities in the United States. This means the relocation, to a place of the government’s choosing, of any part of the population they choose to move. In other words, it doesn’t matter where you live now or what property you own, it will become the property of the government and THE GOVERNMENT WILL TELL YOU WHERE TO LIVE. It will relocate entire communities, build new housing with public funds, designate areas to be abandoned, and establish new locations for populations. ExSoldier's NOTE: In the case of a nuclear terror attack, for example.

    EXECUTIVE ORDER 11005 ( 27 F.R. 1544 ) empowers the Interstate Commerce Commission to take over ALL railroads, inland waterways and public storage facilities.

    EXECUTIVE ORDER 11051 ( 27 F.R. 1688 ) specifies the responsibility of the Office of Emergency Planning and gives authorization to put all Executive Orders into effect in times of increased international or domestic tensions and economic or financial crisis.

    EXECUTIVE ORDER 11310 ( 32 F.R. 12877 ) directs the Department of Justice to enforce the plans set out in All Executive Orders, to institute industrial support, to establish judicial and legislative liaison, to control all aliens, to operate ALL penal and correctional institutions, and to advise and assist the President.

    EXECUTIVE ORDER 11490 ( 34 F.R. 17567 ) authored by Richard Nixon consolidates all previous Executive Orders into one act of law.a View the Nixon Document. It also gave the Department of Justice the power to control "alien enemies" and all "other aliens" and to provide for their location, relocation, restraint and/or custody. It also provides the power to seize ALL property of the alien enemies and "other aliens". No definition of terms was given to know who "alien enemies" or "other aliens" are. It is left to the discretion of the Department of Justice! It allows the Federal Emergency Preparedness Agency to develop plans to establish control over the mechanisms of production and distribution of ALL energy sources, wages, salaries, credit and the flow of money in U.S. financial institutions in any undefined national emergency. It makes mandatory the confiscation and control of ALL monetary items and the entire financial structure and assets of the United States of America, public, private and institutional by the Secretary of the Treasury. It also provides that when a state of emergency is declared by the President, Congress cannot review the action for six months.

    And last but not least, on 20 July 1979 "You Can Trust Me" President Jimmy Carter authored Executive Order 12148 ( 44 F.R. 43239 ) which completes the plan for the COMPLETE DICTATORSHIP RULE OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. In this E.O. President Carter places the powers previously given to separate agencies or departments/administrations under the SOLE CONTROL of FEMA - the Federal Emergency Management Agency. He also "handed off" to FEMA many powers previously held ONLY BY THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA such as FULL CONTROL OF THE MILITARY FORCES. Yes, FEMA can now assume the powers and duties of the President, in violation of the Constitution of the United States of America. All that is needed to implement these controls is the declaration of a national emergency by any President. Neither Congress, previous Presidents nor the courts have ever rendered a definition of a "National Emergency"!

    The Federal Emergency Management Agency has broad powers in every aspect of the nation. General Frank Salzedo, chief of FEMA’s Civil Security Division stated in a 1983 conference that he saw FEMA’s role as a "new frontier in the protection of individual and governmental leaders from assassination, and of civil and military installations from sabotage and/or attack, as well as prevention of dissident groups from gaining access to U.S. opinion, or a global audience in times of crisis."

    FEMA’s powers were consolidated by President Carter to incorporate:

    The National Security Act of 1947, which allows for the strategic relocation of industries, services, government and other essential economic activities, and to rationalize the requirements for manpower, resources and production facilities; the 1950 Defense Production Act, which gives the President sweeping powers over all aspects of the economy; the Act of August 29, 1916, which authorizes the Secretary of the Army, in time of war, to take possession of any transportation system for transporting troops, material, or any other purpose related to the emergency; and the International Emergency Economic Powers Act, which enables the President to seize the property of a foreign country or national.

    These powers were transferred to FEMA in a sweeping consolidation in 1979.

    ExSoldier's FINAL note These EO's were finally consolidated in such a way that a single order can trigger ALL. This was done by Bill Clinton as an upgrade to what was done in Nixon's time....


    Every President since JFK has signed an annual continuing State of Emergency.....so that FEMA can act in an automatic fashion....just in case.....

    Dunno 'bout Y'all...but this just CREEPS ME OUT![/B]
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    Quote Originally Posted by Doc Holliday
    Both parties suck right now. The pinko lefties want to take away our rights. They are pansies when it comes to terrorism. The Republicans are burying their heads in the sand over immigration. They also could give a $**t less if you and I are paying $4.00 or more at the pumps, because most are being "lobbied" by the rich oil industry. If we don't get some true leadership and solutions quickly, then you can just watch the walls crumble. History has a funny way of repeating itself......if we are not careful we will fall in much the same way that the Romans did. There is so much greed and corruption. Social ills like the Crystal Meth scourge that is destroying small town America. We are being invaded by illegals in what is being called "The Quiet Revolution." We are so in debt that I wonder just how much it is going to take for the economic bubble to burst. The spin doctors in Washington tell us the economy is fine, but when I turn on the news or talk to a friend, all I hear about is job cuts. Heck, my wife just lost her job. People, it is time to wake up! We are being lied to by both sides! We all need, myself included, to jump on our representatives hides and tell them we are not going to take this anymore.

    I'm getting off my soapbox now. Please don't flame me, but I am just another p!$$ed off, overworked, underpaid, overtaxed, underappreciated, middle class guy trying to take care of his family.
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    ME TOO! WELL SAID & Amen!
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    I think I posted these before, but just for the new guys....take a gander at THIS:.......


    Dunno 'bout Y'all...but this just CREEPS ME OUT![/B]
    Me too!
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    Reading that made me think of tactics used in Russia under Stalin. When I read of the seizure of farms, I am reminded of the farm collectives. All of the farms were taken away from the farmers and became the property of the USSR. All farmers that fought against that oppressive regime were killed or sent to work camps. Stalin also took control of all industries and communication. Those that opposed were murdered or imprisioned as well.

    Sounds kinda like some of those E.O.'s. Guess you and me won't go to the "re-education" camps will we?
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    To be fair...

    The Executive orders originally came about as a reponse to a catastrophic nuclear exchange. Remember the "Cold War" days ?

    We were convinced that the Russians or the Chinese would try to take over the world by nukeing us first. They were concerned that we would try to do the same.

    Some talking heads got together and imagined a worse case scenario where the U.S. was seriously crippled by a first strike. As terrible as that would be, they came to realize that there would be survivors and to rebuild the country they came up with reccomendations as to what a surviving president, or next in line would have to do. That is the original intent of the executive orders which started out life as Emergency Military Instructions.

    For decades, they have been being used and abused by every sitting president to acheive things that could never get passed by Congress.

    Now, a very real threat exists from those that are willing partners of the United Nations. ASs an example,several of our national parks and forests have been designated as " U.N.Biosphere Reserves" by executive order.

    IIRC, Bill Clinton passed more law by executive orders than any president before him. None of them had to do with an emergency, most of them dealt with things that he wanted that he knew he had little to no support for, and he did it by simply signing a document with a pen...quick and easy like with no oppositon. The thing is, it remains as law until the authoring president or another president recinds it.

    Now heres the real danger of E.O.'s.

    Here's a possible scenario...and as some of the aware ones here will without a doubt realize, one that could be closer to the truth than we would like to imagine...

    Lets imagine that some tree hugging Marxist like Hillary becomes the next president. She can see her shared vision of the One World Government with the U.N. just over the horizon, she can almost reach out and grab it. Her traitor husband Bill, fufills his lifetime ambition and becomes the next U.N.General Secretary as a reward for his part in the "global vision".They decide that the U.N. Peackeeping forces are underfunded as it costs a fortune to sends them in all of the little hotspots of the world. The U.N. needs money.They realize that the only real source of funds must come from the U.S, which funds 80% of the U.N. now.They know that a universal tax, also known as a "global tax" has little support here in the states where many people are already questioning why we should pay even more.

    We wake up one day and find out that we are paying another 7 percent in taxes to the U.N. for the privledge of being known as "global citizens". Or course, its was done by Executive Order. As a safeguard, and to quell any furture backlash and rebellion, by Executive Order, private ownership of weapons is banned, another one of the U.N.'s lofty goals.

    Thats whats starts the beggining of the end.Many citizens refuse to turn in their weapons for any reason. When U.N. troops are brought into the U.S. to assist, the killing begins. Remember that most of these troops are coming from countrys that are hostile to the U.S. and they have no inhibitions when it comes to firing on civilians. Many in our own military rally to the cause and fight the foreign troops.When it starts going badly for the U.N. another E.O. is passed that disbands the military, while few realize that yet another goal of the U.N. is the disbanding of all national militarys which are to be replaced exclusivley by a standing United Nations Military.

    A scenario ? Dont think it could happen ?

    Then wake up and read up on the goals of the United Nations and tell me differently.

    Executive Orders are NOT our friend. They will be the undoing of this country...and it will take is one ambitious President that is hostile to the Constitution of the U.S.

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