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    Gun lobby looks ahead - Roanoke.com

    Editorial: Gun lobby looks ahead
    With Kaine's veto pen gone, gun lovers will be working harder to relax gun restrictions in Virginia.


    Virginia's gun lobby has reason to celebrate as it prepares for a promising legislative session.

    For the first time in years, gun lovers won't have to fear that hard-won bills will face a governor's veto pen. Gov.-elect Bob McDonnell is a favorite of the National Rifle Association, and it's unlikely he'll disappoint.

    The Virginia Citizens Defense League is preparing to push a number of pro-gun bills, including several that fell to Gov. Tim Kaine's veto pen in past years. They'll begin the lobbying push with an event at the capital on Monday, Martin Luther King Day. Any irony in holding a push to weaken gun laws on a day honoring a civil rights leader slain by a bullet is either lost on this crowd or intentional.

    Among the bills VCDL will be pushing: a repeal of the ban on carrying concealed weapons in bars and restaurants that serve alcohol, a repeal of the one-gun-a-month purchase limit, and "streamlining" the application process for concealed permits by allowing applications by mail and eliminating any fingerprinting requirements imposed by localities.

    Kaine vetoed the first two last year. The third appears to be an extension of a bill that passed over Kaine's veto, allowing concealed carry permit applicants to demonstrate their competence with a handgun by taking an online course. The goal appears to be to make it as easy as possible for anyone to get a concealed carry permit while making it as difficult as possible for localities issuing the permits to conduct thorough background checks.

    In recent years, Senate Democrats and moderate Republicans have been able to pander to the card-carrying NRA members among their constituents. They could approve bills they probably knew were unwise, secure in the knowledge that Kaine would veto the worst.

    They no longer have that safety net. They must be prepared to stand up to the gun lobby themselves and cast some tough votes.

    Virginia, for the most part, has sound gun laws that are not overly restrictive. These laws do not need to be relaxed.

    There's little hope that laws will be tightened where it could do some good, such as the so-called gun-show loophole. But moderates should work to keep the worst ideas for loosening them from reaching the governor's desk.
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    They'll begin the lobbying push with an event at the capital on Monday, Martin Luther King Day. Any irony in holding a push to weaken gun laws on a day honoring a civil rights leader slain by a bullet is either lost on this crowd or intentional.
    shows their resort to emotion and lack of concern for the facts:

    1) Dr. Martin Luther King supported the RKBA:

    "Finally, I contended that the debate over the question of self-defense was unnecessary since few people suggested that Negroes should not defend themselves as individuals when attacked. The question was not whether one should use his gun when his home was attacked, but whether it was tactically wise to use a gun while participating in an organized demonstration."
    Martin Luther King, Jr., Where Do We Go From Here: Chaos or Community? Chapter II, Black Power, Page 27, Harper & Row Publishers Inc., First Edition, 1967.

    "As we have seen, the first public expression of disenchantment with nonviolence arose around the question of "self-defense." In a sense this is a false issue, for the right to defend one's home and one's person when attacked has been guaranteed through the ages by common law."
    Martin Luther King, Jr., Where Do We Go From Here: Chaos or Community? Chapter II, Black Power, Page 55, Harper & Row Publishers Inc., First Edition, 1967.

    2) Most anti-RKBA laws started as racially motivated. See:
    JPFO- No Guns for Negroes-download or view
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    Indeed. I'd say the "irony" is lost on the author of that article, since gun laws are indeed intended to disarm minorities. I'd say that if MLK was alive today, he would not only be quite sorrowful over the status of racial things today (affirmative action, the acknowledgment of race, reverse racism, etc), but also at the lack of common sense and logic.

    I suppose that to this author, driving cars to an event honoring someone who died in a car crash would also be "ironic"?

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    Thank you for sharing that article.

    America should be about the freedoms of the people MLK knew that. Its sad that the modern populus is so quick to give up all our freedoms and join a socialist flock

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    Quote Originally Posted by DaveH View Post
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    The statement:



    shows their resort to emotion and lack of concern for the facts:

    1) Dr. Martin Luther King supported the RKBA:

    Martin Luther King, Jr., Where Do We Go From Here: Chaos or Community? Chapter II, Black Power, Page 27, Harper & Row Publishers Inc., First Edition, 1967.

    Martin Luther King, Jr., Where Do We Go From Here: Chaos or Community? Chapter II, Black Power, Page 55, Harper & Row Publishers Inc., First Edition, 1967.

    2) Most anti-RKBA laws started as racially motivated. See:
    JPFO- No Guns for Negroes-download or view
    Nice...might want to actually reply with a letter to the editor for that one...
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    Geat info, thanks for posting it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by packinnova View Post
    Nice...might want to actually reply with a letter to the editor for that one...
    VCDL is preparing a reply.

    I may do a personal follow-on -- most likely in reply to a LTE to the VCDL reply, fi things play out as usual.
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    Quote:
    In recent years, Senate Democrats and moderate Republicans have been able to pander to the card-carrying NRA members among their constituents.


    If their constituents are "card-carrying NRA members" why do they not support what their voters want them to???
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    Quote Originally Posted by paul34 View Post
    Indeed. I'd say the "irony" is lost on the author of that article, since gun laws are indeed intended to disarm minorities. I'd say that if MLK was alive today, he would not only be quite sorrowful over the status of racial things today (affirmative action, the acknowledgment of race, reverse racism, etc), but also at the lack of common sense and logic.

    I suppose that to this author, driving cars to an event honoring someone who died in a car crash would also be "ironic"?
    Bingo. I was thinking the same thing when I read that line.

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    OK I shot off a letter. Let's bury them!
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    Quote Originally Posted by packinnova View Post
    Nice...might want to actually reply with a letter to the editor for that one...
    Quote Originally Posted by DaveH View Post
    VCDL is preparing a reply.

    I may do a personal follow-on -- most likely in reply to a LTE to the VCDL reply, fi things play out as usual.
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    OK I shot off a letter. Let's bury them!
    Please feel free to write now. The more the better, now or later.

    I'm always stressed as to when to write.

    The Roanoke Times has a limit of one letter a month from the same person.

    The Virginia legislative session is short.

    The Times feels free to print their dribble day after day.

    Some years I write early and later wish I hadn't -- as something comes out later that no one replies to. Other times....

    The more of us that write in over the legislative session the better.

    Please join in -- all of you.

    As paramedic said, "Let's bury them!"
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