Either I am Ignorant or Confused but.. - Page 3

Either I am Ignorant or Confused but..

This is a discussion on Either I am Ignorant or Confused but.. within the The Second Amendment & Gun Legislation Discussion forums, part of the Related Topics category; + me. A foolish thing to say never. worth considersation: C'mon, that will never happen in America ... Right? I have for years heard the ...

Page 3 of 4 FirstFirst 1234 LastLast
Results 31 to 45 of 46

Thread: Either I am Ignorant or Confused but..

  1. #31
    Member Array carry ok's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2009
    Location
    Florida
    Posts
    388
    + me. A foolish thing to say never.

    worth considersation: C'mon, that will never happen in America ... Right?

    I have for years heard the American electorate (voters) described as 'apathetic'. Percentages support the claims.

    http://www.answers.com/topic/apathetic
    Extremism in the Defense of Liberty is No Vice--Moderation in the Pursuit of Justice is No Virtue. - Senator Barry Goldwater


  2. #32
    VIP Member Array edr9x23super's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2006
    Location
    Texas
    Posts
    2,108
    Can it happen here?

    I think so. We only have to look as far as Canada,England or Australia. While they didn't actually go house to house taking guns, they simply legislated them into oblivion. Here on this forum we read about the ridiculous happening in England where they go to great expense to prosecute people that use guns in self defense while letting the thugs that caused the use of them to go free.

    Absolutely right. Never say never, because I can remember being in merry olde England back in 1985 when this discussion came up. They said then around a family dinner this could never happen in England and look at what happened 20 years later. Ronald Reagan truly spoke this when he said that Liberty lost was only one generation away......
    "Guard with jealous attention the public liberty. Suspect everyone who approaches that jewel. Unfortunately, nothing will preserve it but downright force. Whenever you give up that force, you are inevitably ruined". - Patrick Henry

  3. #33
    Member Array sleepyhead's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2009
    Location
    Florida
    Posts
    64
    Quote Originally Posted by Pete14 View Post
    Good thing I have 20,000 rounds in my basement!
    Mmm, you really need to start stocking up.

    I know it's been said many times in this thread, but it has been happening for a LONG time.
    When you have some free time, go to the library and get "Unintended Consequences" by John Ross.
    http://www.amazon.com/Unintended-Con.../dp/1888118040
    It's a novel, but it describes many historical events in the progression of gun control.

  4. #34
    Member Array carry ok's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2009
    Location
    Florida
    Posts
    388

    Advisable to.......

    Quote Originally Posted by Pete14 View Post
    Good thing I have 20,000 rounds in my basement!
    also put away, in reserve, springs, small parts, etcetera!
    Extremism in the Defense of Liberty is No Vice--Moderation in the Pursuit of Justice is No Virtue. - Senator Barry Goldwater

  5. #35
    Member Array Horsetrader's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2008
    Location
    now: here and there
    Posts
    225
    Quote Originally Posted by Pete14 View Post
    Good thing I have 20,000 rounds in my basement!
    To all those "suits" who wear sunglasses 24/7 and talk to their wrists: Pete doesn't really have 20,000 rounds. His keyboard "0" key sticks. That safe in his basement has 20 rounds in it. So you can move along, nothing to see here, cancel the search warrant.
    "Improvise, adapt, overcome."

  6. #36
    Senior Member Array Jmac00's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2009
    Location
    Rochester, NY
    Posts
    894
    I agree that the government WILL NOT simply confiscate all firearms. Not right now.

    we are all missing one very big factor:

    IF NObama were to confiscate all weapons tomorrow, just think about how many people will INSTANTLY GO ON UNEMPLOYMENT

    I would guess conservatively, NObama would put 10 MILLION people out of work. NObama can't afford to put that many people on unemployment at this time.


    NO! NObama will simply tax/regulate us out of business. In a few years when our firearms are regulated to the point of being useless......THEN the government will confiscate them.
    HAPPY NEW YEAR
    INFIDELS

  7. #37
    Member Array Pete14's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2009
    Location
    Kansas City, MO
    Posts
    189
    Ummm.. I was just joking about the 20,000 rounds. Wait.. who the hell could that be banging on my door and why do I hear dogs and a helicopter? I guess I need to put my gun up and go answer the door.

  8. #38
    Member Array ExHippie's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2009
    Location
    Missouri
    Posts
    90
    Quote Originally Posted by Hopyard View Post
    It is a very interesting perspective, and one I would be inclined to agree with---except---most folks really are law abiding. So if there was some law passed requiring you to get rid of your guns, most (including many here who say they never would) would comply; because that is what law abiding folks do.
    Well said, Hopyard. Passing a law prohibiting particular weapons is the first step. Most of us don't want to be criminals. Some of us have jobs that depend on not being criminals (Federal employees, etc.) The attempt is to coerce people into voluntarily giving up their guns. Once that has been accomplished, it'd take alot less manpower to go after the people who refused. That's how Hitler did it!

  9. #39
    VIP Member
    Array Chorizo's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2007
    Location
    SW Idaho
    Posts
    2,034
    Just because I am paranoid, doesn't mean they aren't trying to get me.

    Will there be an attempt, yes, through the courts and administrative nickel and dime regulations.

    Roadless areas that are not wilderness areas are a great example.

    If you want to see it in action, just take a look at how the environmental laws are being used in court and by the agencies, ever so slowly, to exclude human interaction on large blocks of terrain except for those that are most fit and adhere to their regulations.

    Example:

    Wilderness areas: must carry out everything brought in, including your excrement. You must walk or only use horses/mules in approved areas and approved trails and they must eat certified weed free hay. You cannot land in wilderness areas with helicopters or airplanes except for the few approved places and you are not allowed to repair those strips (will eventually make them unusable)

    Now take a look at the size of those areas. Ya think that that many of those areas will get many visitors? Do you think that the vast majority of the population is essentially excluded from using those areas?

    Now take that same method, apply it to guns (magazines over 10 rounds only to qualified individuals, semi autos only for specific individuals, ammo types restricted to LE/military, only 1 gun per month).

    It is already happening or is being attempted. Based upon your title for the thread, I believe it is the former.
    21 years and 21 days, United States Marine Corps & NRA Life Member since 1972

    "The trouble is with the increasingly widespread problem of idiots prancing around out there confusing their opinions with actual facts." peckman28

  10. #40
    Member Array Kyle18's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2010
    Location
    CA.
    Posts
    84
    One state, one tax, one fee, one person, etc. at a time. There are times I'm glad I'm old, I only hope my grandkids and great grandkids haven't been brainwashed by the school systems to go along with the anti-weapon agenda in years to come. Our granddaughter is "passive" toward firearms now, but was raised in a career military family that uses and supports guns. Four years of college changed her "point of view".

    It will happen, albiet slowly.
    Be responsible for your own actions.
    ---
    http://www.calguns.net/

  11. #41
    Member Array Pete14's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2009
    Location
    Kansas City, MO
    Posts
    189

    Wink

    Just to put this in perspective 10 years ago we could not carry concealed but now we can but.... we are losing more rights! Lets take a look at the Nazi restriction on Weapons.

    Nazi Weapons Act of 1938 (Translated to English)

    1. Classified guns for "sporting purposes". (be awfully hard to do!)
    2. All citizens who wished to purchase firearms had to register with the Nazi officials and have a background check. (Very possible!)
    3. Presumed German citizens were hostile and thereby exempted Nazis from the gun control law. (add Democrats or Republicans to the sentence and it still would never happen)
    4. Gave Nazis unrestricted power to decide what kinds of firearms could, or could not be owned by private persons. (With Democrats and Republicans running the country they could never agree on anything)
    5. The types of ammunition that were legal were subject to control by bureaucrats. (Very Possible!)
    6. Juveniles under 18 years could not buy firearms and ammunition. (already here and we are better for it!)

    and one other things that he did:

    7. Outlawed all Jewish people from owning guns (This will never ever happen in america where a race of people is discriminated against unless you count rednecks and blondes)

    Based on history this will never happen in the USA because we have learned from our past and because of this one thing in the article below: "While the Nazis made good on the threat to execute persons in possession of firearms, the gun control decree was not entirely successful. Partisans launched armed attacks. But resistance was hampered by the lack of civilian arms possession (which does not apply to the USA)."

    Reference: Nazi Gun Control

    P.S.: I am actually kind of suprised that I have not been attacked or labeled a liberal and that so far the dialogue has remained civil. This says alot to me about the type of people that are active on this site.

  12. #42
    VIP Member
    Array oneshot's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2009
    Location
    +42.893612,-082.710236 , Mi.
    Posts
    8,226
    Quote Originally Posted by HotGuns View Post
    Can it happen here?

    I think so. We only have to look as far as Canada,England or Australia. While they didn't actually go house to house taking guns, they simply legislated them into oblivion. Here on this forum we read about the ridiculous happening in England where they go to great expense to prosecute people that use guns in self defense while letting the thugs that caused the use of them to go free.

    Some of our own states even require registration of firearms and for what purpose? History will prove that the only reason for registration of weapons is for the purpose of confiscation. There is no other reason.

    Can you use a handgun to defend yourself in Illinois?
    Can you buy ammo without a "firearm owners I.D. card? Why not?
    How about D.C.? Until recently, you couldn't even legally own a handgun if you happened to live there.

    We have a President that has surrounded himself with known anti-gunners in his Administration. The POTUS, The VPOTUS, the Speaker of the House, the Secretary of State,the Attorney General, all of them would eliminate private ownership of firearms if they thought they could get away with it and many of them have publicly stated that fact. The United Nations, which many of them believe in, works around the clock to eliminate private ownership of weapons though various methods.

    Our own Senators and Congressmen can tax them to death or legislate them into oblivion or make them so difficult to manufacture with bogus legislation that it will eventually cost a fortune to buy one, which will effectively prohibit the average American from being about to buy one because they cant afford it.

    Can it happen here?

    I believe that it can. Look around at some of the ridiculous regulations. You don't have to look far or long to figure out what they are about.


    ^^^^^^^^^YEP^^^^^^^

    But here is the answer Below;;;;;;



    The Declaration of Independence

    In Congress, July 4, 1776
    The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America

    When in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

    We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. --That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security. --Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government. The history of the present King of Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States. To prove this, let Facts be submitted to a candid world.




    If everyone is thinking alike, then somebody isn't thinking" - George S. Patton
    If you want to make God laugh, tell him your plans.

    Washington didn't use his freedom of speech to defeat the British, He shot them!

    Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it whether it exists or not, diagnosing it incorrectly, and applying the wrong remedy." -- Ernest Benn

  13. #43
    VIP Member Array Patti's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2008
    Location
    The Show Me State
    Posts
    2,657
    Quote Originally Posted by HotGuns View Post
    Can it happen here?

    I think so. We only have to look as far as Canada,England or Australia. While they didn't actually go house to house taking guns, they simply legislated them into oblivion. Here on this forum we read about the ridiculous happening in England where they go to great expense to prosecute people that use guns in self defense while letting the thugs that caused the use of them to go free.

    Some of our own states even require registration of firearms and for what purpose? History will prove that the only reason for registration of weapons is for the purpose of confiscation. There is no other reason.

    Can you use a handgun to defend yourself in Illinois?
    Can you buy ammo without a "firearm owners I.D. card? Why not?
    How about D.C.? Until recently, you couldn't even legally own a handgun if you happened to live there.

    We have a President that has surrounded himself with known anti-gunners in his Administration. The POTUS, The VPOTUS, the Speaker of the House, the Secretary of State,the Attorney General, all of them would eliminate private ownership of firearms if they thought they could get away with it and many of them have publicly stated that fact. The United Nations, which many of them believe in, works around the clock to eliminate private ownership of weapons though various methods.

    Our own Senators and Congressmen can tax them to death or legislate them into oblivion or make them so difficult to manufacture with bogus legislation that it will eventually cost a fortune to buy one, which will effectively prohibit the average American from being about to buy one because they cant afford it.

    Can it happen here?

    I believe that it can. Look around at some of the ridiculous regulations. You don't have to look far or long to figure out what they are about.
    ^^^Exactly what he said^^^

    Some cities and states are VERY anti.

    The only way I see it happening on a national scale is if the grid goes completely down and the freak show in Washington declares martial law.

    I'd say we have about a 1 in 10 chance of the grid going down.

    Never say never.
    Socialism is the philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance and the gospel of envy. Winston Churchill

  14. #44
    VIP Member
    Array oneshot's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2009
    Location
    +42.893612,-082.710236 , Mi.
    Posts
    8,226
    Nazi Weapons Act of 1938 (Translated to English)

    1. Classified guns for "sporting purposes". (be awfully hard to do!)
    2. All citizens who wished to purchase firearms had to register with the Nazi officials and have a background check. (Very possible!)
    3. Presumed German citizens were hostile and thereby exempted Nazis from the gun control law. (add Democrats [Quote] Pete14


    Don't be to sure about that,
    Here in michigan we used to have over 1.5 MILLION whitetailed deer.
    Our Illustrious DNR has all but sent out a death warrant for them, in the form of vast increases in doe permits. The guise was that we had an infestation of Bovine Tuberculosis, CWD,(chronic wasting disease), and now this, the latest in a never-ending line of B S ,,Epizootic Hemorrhagic Disease (EHD) in White-tailed Deer .There has been a handful of deer that had Bovine TB, 1-2 deer in private herds that had CWD, and they flip the panic switch and make you believe its an epidemic. END RESULT after 10 years of this crap?
    Less than 800,000k-1million deer in the state.
    There is so much apathy among hunters that some keep saying they might throw in the towel.
    Now , if they ever passed legislation stating that if you have not hunted in past years, you must "Turn" in YOUR hunting firearm, now what?




    "This year will go down in history. For the first time, a civilized nation has full gun registration. Our street will be safer, our police more efficient, and the world will follow our lead into the future!" Adolf Hitler, 1935
    If you want to make God laugh, tell him your plans.

    Washington didn't use his freedom of speech to defeat the British, He shot them!

    Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it whether it exists or not, diagnosing it incorrectly, and applying the wrong remedy." -- Ernest Benn

  15. #45
    VIP Member Array Eagleks's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2008
    Location
    Kansas
    Posts
    7,818
    Well.... after Obama chewed out the Supreme Court & it's decision, he then said we can't have this and that he will push Congress to pass a new law.

    Some people don't get that a law may be unconstitutional, don't care, and will do things because they think their opinion and power is above the Constitution.

    On top of that, Obama had all of his facts wrong. I have no doubt Eric Holder would take all the guns tomorrow if he thought he could get away with it. He's extremely anti-gun and has sworn he "will " get a national registration.

    Which part of all that, are people not getting ?

Page 3 of 4 FirstFirst 1234 LastLast

Links

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •  

Similar Threads

  1. Ignorant LEO try'n to bust my chops
    By V10 in forum Open Carry Issues & Discussions
    Replies: 70
    Last Post: November 23rd, 2009, 08:54 PM
  2. Wife is Tactically Ignorant
    By sniper58 in forum Concealed Carry Issues & Discussions
    Replies: 50
    Last Post: September 28th, 2009, 04:10 PM
  3. Ignorant, gun-hating MSM at work
    By AZUSMC22 in forum Off Topic & Humor Discussion
    Replies: 3
    Last Post: October 10th, 2008, 02:16 AM
  4. I'm ignorant. Help.
    By atctimmy in forum Defensive Knives & Other Weapons
    Replies: 33
    Last Post: July 2nd, 2008, 04:41 AM
  5. Another ignorant statement (NBA Commisioner)...
    By slimjim in forum Concealed Carry Issues & Discussions
    Replies: 18
    Last Post: October 26th, 2006, 06:20 PM