NPS ban in Maine?

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    Question NPS ban in Maine?

    Is this right, for a whole park?

    I assumed that the limit would be on buildings and the like, not whole parks.

    Anything anyone up to speed on this point?

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    Proposal targets gun ban for parks - Bangor Daily News

    Proposal targets gun ban for parks
    Lawmakers seek return to earlier 'status quo'

    By Kevin Miller
    BDN Staff

    AUGUSTA, Maine - Lawmakers heard testimony Wednesday on a proposal to reimpose
    restrictions on guns within Acadia National Park and along the Appalachian
    Trail in Maine in response to Congress' controversial decision to lift
    long-standing limits on firearms.

    Last year, Congress passed a law authorizing visitors to carry guns - both
    concealed and carried openly - in national parks. Congress passed the law
    after a federal judge overturned similar regulations enacted in the final days
    of the Bush administration.

    But the new law, which takes effect later this month, does allow states to
    establish specific rules governing where and how firearms can be carried in
    the national park system.


    A proposal pending before the Legislature's Criminal Justice Committee, LD
    1737, would essentially maintain the old law that has been on the books for
    several decades.

    That law generally prohibits firearms within park boundaries but allows
    visitors to carry unloaded guns through the park as long as the firearms have
    been dismantled or rendered inaccessible.

    "This really keeps the status quo for rules that have been in effect since
    1982," said House Speaker Hannah Pingree, D-North Haven. Pingree, whose
    district includes parts of Acadia, said now is not the time to change a law
    that could affect the tourism industry.

    "It is important to the tourism industry, and it is important to families for
    people to feel safe, and I think to set a standard any different than what is
    currently in place in our state parks and national parks would be a bad
    precedent," she said.

    The new federal law, as well as LD 1737, would only affect gun owners who
    desire to visit Acadia and the St. Croix Island International Historic Site or
    to hike Maine's section of the Appalachian Trail. The laws would not affect
    Maine's federally owned national wildlife refuges or the White Mountain
    National Forest, where hunting is permitted.

    Much of Wednesday's testimony focused on individuals who have a permit to
    carry a concealed firearm.

    While the bill, as drafted, would prohibit loaded concealed weapons within the
    parks, the bill's lead sponsor, Sen. Dennis Damon of Trenton, said he would be
    open to allowing permit holders to carry guns in the parks.
    Representatives from the organization Friends of Acadia, the Maine Appalachian
    Trail Club and the Appalachian Trail Conservancy, meanwhile, urged the
    committee to keep the laws that have been in effect for decades.

    Marla O'Byrne, president and CEO of Friends of Acadia, cited FBI crime
    statistics showing that there were 1.65 violent crimes per 100,000 visitors to
    national parks in 2006. That compares to a nationwide average of 473.5 violent
    crimes per 100,000 people that same year.

    O'Byrne urged the committee to think back to times they hiked trails in
    Acadia, rode the carriage roads or stopped at the Jordan Pond House for tea
    and popovers.
    "I doubt that many of you felt like you needed to have a firearm on you," she
    said.

    Robert Proudman, representing the Appalachian Trail Conservancy in Harpers
    Ferry, W.Va., said between 1 and 2 million people hike the trail every year.
    Yet during the past 40 years, there have only been eight murders - two of
    which involved guns - along the 2,200-mile-long trail stretching from Georgia
    to Maine.

    Proudman expressed concerns about an increase in the number of guns on the
    trail leading to additional accidents or deadly altercations.

    "I believe allowing firearms on the Appalachian Trail is unnecessary, possibly
    dangerous and, simply put, a bad idea," Proudman said. "Perhaps most
    important, we don't want the culture to change."

    Sportsmen and gun owners' rights groups, on the other hand, urged the
    committee to let the federal law take effect without alteration.
    John Hohenwarter, a lobbyist with the National Rifle Association, said the
    federal law on parks was changed in response to the growing number of states,
    including Maine, that allow the concealed carry of loaded guns. Hohenwarter
    added that he would never think of hiking the Appalachian Trail without a gun.

    "Crime does not stop at the federal park gate," Hohenwarter said. "The right
    to protect yourself does not stop at the federal park gate."
    George Smith, executive director of the Sportsman's Alliance of Maine, said
    holders of concealed carry permits are not the people the park service or the
    state should be concerned about. They have already been cleared to carry a
    weapon.

    Instead, the law-abiding public has the right to protect itself from the
    criminals who don't follow existing gun laws.
    "Congress got this one right. You don't need to add" to it, Smith said.
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    congress left the language open for them to do it. Lets hope logic prevails and nothing comes of it.
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    Yes...the law permits carrying of concealed firearms, with a permit, provided it is legal to do so in the state where the park resides.

    For example...in VA, you can carry into any/all State parks. With the new Federal law about to go into effect, National Parks will also be included.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DaveH View Post
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    Proposal targets gun ban for parks - Bangor Daily News

    Blah blah blah.....cited FBI crime statistics showing that there were 1.65 violent crimes per 100,000 visitors to national parks in 2006.

    Yet during the past 40 years, there have only been eight murders -
    That's great, unless you or a loved one happen to be in that 1.65 per 100,000 or 8 murder victims, then it kind of sucks. I prefer to be prepared for the worst for the same reasons I have fire extinguishers in my house, wear my seat belt when driving, wear a helmet when I ride my motorcycle. I don't plan on or expect a fire or crash but that precautions in case something does happen.
    I guess some people just want to live in LaLa land and pretend everything is just fine and nothing bad will ever happen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SIGguy229 View Post
    Yes...the law permits carrying of concealed firearms, with a permit, provided it is legal to do so in the state where the park resides.

    For example...in VA, you can carry into any/all State parks. With the new Federal law about to go into effect, National Parks will also be included.
    That is what I understood.

    However, some States are now saying that the State can regulate National Parks separate from elsewhere in the State. Some are even saying that the State can regulate one National Park separate from another/others.
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    Robert Proudman, representing the Appalachian Trail Conservancy in Harpers
    Ferry, W.Va., said between 1 and 2 million people hike the trail every year.
    Yet during the past 40 years, there have only been eight murders - two of
    which involved guns - along the 2,200-mile-long trail stretching from Georgia
    to Maine.
    Yeah...I'm not buying the 8 murders in 40 years stat at all.......probably higher. What about the numbers of rapes, assaults, robberies, and drug-related crime in the NPS?.....yeah...I thought so......
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