February 5th, 2010 04:19 PM
Actually your "written rights" don't "trump" anything. EVERYONE has rights and not all rights are enumerated in the Bill of Rights.
Originally Posted by gdm320
For instance, everyone has a "right" to "life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. No where is that written in the BoR.
Starbuck's policy has always been like Walmart's policy. They follow the laws of the particular State.
Originally Posted by BigStick
February 5th, 2010 04:29 PM
I wrote Starbucks a "thank you" e-mail for allowing citizens to exercise their rights as long as they are within the law.
Here's a link to their customer service page:Contact Starbucks | Starbucks Coffee Company
February 5th, 2010 04:33 PM
February 5th, 2010 05:14 PM
Starbucks allows you to lawfully express your rights... for us who work there however we can't. We can't even carry a pocket knife. It was funny I had one on my back pocket and my manager saw it his eyes bulged and was like what's that! You can't have that here!
He would die if he knew that everytime he saw me outside of work I'd been carry my XD. Even when we were having our work party at his house!
Protection is a responsibility not just a right.
February 5th, 2010 05:54 PM
a pocket knife is a tool!
Originally Posted by dsee11789
February 5th, 2010 10:21 PM
I'm not a Coffee guy either. Try the "Double Chip (NOT Chocolate chip) Frappachino", no coffee in it, they're pretty good
Originally Posted by sigmanluke
"You can't stop insane people from doing insane things by passing insane laws."-Penn Jillette
February 5th, 2010 11:31 PM
So to thank Starbucks / battle Brady, is it better to:
- send an email
- open carry and buy a latte/espresso/coffee drink and leave a big tip
- concealed carry, buy a latte/espresso/coffee drink and leave some sort of "Guns save lives" sticker and a big tip
February 5th, 2010 11:37 PM
I'd say OC (if legal in your area), spend money, and consume on premises, or if you can't stand paying their prices, just send a congratulatory e-mail. If they've got comment cards, fill one out.
Originally Posted by louie19
February 6th, 2010 02:37 AM
Please, everyone go to Starbucks.com and post a comment. I don't frequent Starbucks much, but I did feel the need to place a comment, or two, on their web. Simply give an e-mail and set a password, then place a comment. I hope my comments, there, are helping to kill the anti-gun nuts. I am "42" there. Let them know that, even if we don't like their coffee, we do support their stance. If nothing else, visit there comments section, let me know if you think I helped or hurt our cause.
February 6th, 2010 02:57 AM
They indeed donate heavily to Democratics in general. However, gun ownership/carry is one of those issues that crosses political boundaries.
Originally Posted by Arko
I've haven't seen stats on this, but I'm sure there are a lot more 2A supporters among Dems than you'd think (among liberals, not so much). Much like there are quite a few fiscally conservative Dems (in congress, not so much).
February 6th, 2010 03:39 AM
Lol. Starbucks may have been originally populated by such types, but nowadays the clientele is more apt to be upper middle class suburban types- socially liberal, more often than not ambivalent towards unions, etc. Your hippies probably brew their own, or go to a more left indy coffeeshop. BTW, many actual leftists and hippies do support the second amendment, that's why VT for example has such "liberal" carry laws.
Originally Posted by Chainman
I don't support SB b/c of their support of the Israeli gov's policy toward the Palestinians and b/c they don't really support
fair trade, but good for them in this instance.
By the forests, behind the guns/In the streets and in the houses/Between the tanks, by the roadside/At the hands of the men, of the women, of the children/In the cold, in the dark, in hunger....
Bertolt Brecht, "To The German Soldiers In The East", stanza 9.
February 6th, 2010 04:51 AM
You'd think they'd WANT gun owners to get their coffee.
Most caffeine addicts are unbearable until they've had their morning fix.
Do really expect a minimum wage coffee server to ask an armed grouch to leave?
If Rugergirl asks for coffee, it's "yes ma'am! here you go!"
February 6th, 2010 07:15 AM
That says it all, right there!!!
Originally Posted by Lewis128
My own answer to "Yes, we CAN".....
C.A.N. --- Caffeine, Adrenaline, and Nicotine......!
Nothin' like black coffee and cigarettes...."Breakfast of Champions"!!
February 6th, 2010 12:17 PM
in case you have been under a rock, this is an issue currently because of the recent shooting in a Seattle area coffee shop shooting that killed 4 officers:
Local News | Lakewood police shooting suspect killed by officer in South Seattle early today | Seattle Times Newspaper
I am sure it has prompted some policy reviews and aggressive behavior by Brady.
"a reminder that no law can replace personal responsibility" - Bill Clinton 2010.
February 6th, 2010 03:34 PM
I've got respect for Starbucks now.......
looks like the Brady Bunch is trying to bully Starbucks into banning firearms on its property......Starbucks told the Brady-fools to GET BENT!!!!
this was on XDtalk and texaschl fourms.....
Over the past few months, more and more gun owners have been gathering at restaurants and coffee shops like Starbucks with guns strapped to their hips, intimidating fellow patrons.
Businesses can legally prohibit guns from being carried in their establishments – and so far, Peet's Coffee & Tea and California Pizza Kitchen have heeded customer concerns and barred the open carrying of guns.
But Starbucks is refusing to prohibit the open carrying of firearms in its stores, despite protests from loyal customers.
Click here to sign the petition to let Starbucks know that you want them to stand up for the safety of their customers and adopt a nationwide, gun-free policy in all Starbucks stores
Because of Starbucks' refusal, the Brady Campaign has teamed up with CREDO Action to tell Starbucks to keep guns out of its coffee shops.
The practice of packing heat in places like Starbucks is intimidating and could be potentially dangerous to our families and communities – and it must be stopped.
It's everyone's right to sit in a restaurant or coffee shop with their families without intimidation or fear of guns, either concealed or openly carried.
Under the law, Starbucks has the right to adopt a gun-free policy (Andy's note: OR NOT), with an exception for uniformed police officers. Such a policy can easily be implemented in most cases by putting up signs at store entrances.
We need to tell Starbucks to bar guns in its stores. These individuals who have been carrying guns into Starbucks have all the firepower of a SWAT team, and none of the law enforcement training.
Please sign the petition to Starbucks today!
Paul Helmke, President
Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence
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