If a gun shop IS the source of crime

This is a discussion on If a gun shop IS the source of crime within the The Second Amendment & Gun Legislation Discussion forums, part of the Related Topics category; Should it be shutdown? http://abclocal.go.com/wpvi/story?se...cal&id=4159028 This is a local shop and I never go there. The guns are way overpriced and the clientel are mostly ...

Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast
Results 1 to 15 of 19

Thread: If a gun shop IS the source of crime

  1. #1
    Senior Member
    Array Jamie Young's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2006
    Location
    PA
    Posts
    559

    If a gun shop IS the source of crime

    Should it be shutdown?

    http://abclocal.go.com/wpvi/story?se...cal&id=4159028


    This is a local shop and I never go there. The guns are way overpriced and the clientel are mostly from the city.

    That gun shop is one of 3 gun stores in the Philadelphia area that have track records like this.

    My opinion.... if a gun shop has statistics like this, it should be closed down and moved.

    Opinions?

  2. Remove Ads

  3. #2
    Senior Moderator
    Array MattInFla's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2005
    Location
    Central Florida
    Posts
    4,857
    UPPER DARBY, Pa. - May 17, 2006 - Law enforcement is in the midst of a concerted effort to combat growing gun violence. Police and community leaders today are focusing their efforts on a gun shop they say is responsible for putting many of the weapons on the street.

    The business in question is Lou's Pawn shop. Gun control activists say that in a single year, the shop that store sold 178 guns that were later used in crimes.

    Under Pennsylvania law, those sales were all legal. But the gun control advocates want that to change.
    So if the sales were legal, why should the business be closed down?

    Why not go after the criminals instead?

    Matt

  4. #3
    VIP Member
    Array Miggy's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2005
    Location
    Miami-Dade, FL
    Posts
    6,258
    Before anybody jumps into conclussions, How many guns were sold during that year? Check ratio before anything else.
    You have to make the shot when fire is smoking, people are screaming, dogs are barking, kids are crying and sirens are coming.
    Randy Cain.

    Ego will kill you. Leave it at home.
    Signed: Me!

  5. #4
    Senior Member Array ssssthesnake's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2006
    Location
    utah
    Posts
    552
    so if there is a rash of muffler beatings where the mufflers come from auto zone you gona close the auto parts store know this souds silly but blaming the the store for some one being a crimanal is like blaming the gun for the crime one gun or a million of them never comited a murder on there own but on man or a million might

  6. #5
    Member Array George Hill's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2005
    Location
    LaPoint Utah
    Posts
    324
    So I guess the same should go for Ford for all the drunk driving deaths?

  7. #6
    Member Array XD40's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2005
    Location
    Florida Space Coast
    Posts
    117
    The articoe states that all of the gun sales were legal. I don't see a problem with the gun shop. This 'straw purchase' ruse to sue gun shops and attempt to shut them down is a bit suspicous. It seems that in HINDSIGHT it may be obvious that the purchase was for resale to someone oels, however, it may not have been apparent at the time of the original purchase. And how many of the 178 were to the same person? or was it 150 different people, or 100 or only 5. Either way, go after those making straw purchases, the records are there to get them not the gun shop.
    ----------------------------------------------
    Bob McDuffee, co-host DogWatch Social Club Podcast
    Thoughtful Conversation, Considered Opinion and a Touch of Insanity
    "He who goes about unarmed in paradise, had better be sure that is where he is!" James Thurber

  8. #7
    Assistant Administrator
    Array P95Carry's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2005
    Location
    South West PA
    Posts
    25,484
    I doubt we have the whole skinny on this.

    A gun dealer can only go by info supplied and if it seems to check out OK - there is little more they can do. The figure given of 178 is both staggering I admit very concerning - each and every gun sale that leads to crime is one more problem for us legit' folks.

    Now if numerous sales were categorically proven to be illegal then yes, close a store - it is necessary to keep a tight run ship for our own sakes.

    More info is needed here re how and why and when with transactions - and over what timeframe too.
    Chris - P95
    NRA Certified Instructor & NRA Life Member.

    "To own a gun and assume that you are armed
    is like owning a piano and assuming that you are a musician!."


    http://www.rkba-2a.com/ - a portal for 2A links, articles and some videos.

  9. #8
    Senior Member
    Array Jamie Young's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2006
    Location
    PA
    Posts
    559
    http://www.nbc10.com/news/8860289/de...subid=10101521

    That bar is one block from the Pawn/Gun shop.

    Do we see a trend here?

    I think it's time to close the shop down and move it out of the neighborhood.

    Before anybody jumps into conclussions, How many guns were sold during that year?
    I'll post them when I get them.

  10. #9
    Senior Moderator
    Array MattInFla's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2005
    Location
    Central Florida
    Posts
    4,857
    Quote Originally Posted by Jamie Young
    http://www.nbc10.com/news/8860289/de...subid=10101521

    That bar is one block from the Pawn/Gun shop.

    Do we see a trend here?

    I think it's time to close the shop down and move it out of the neighborhood.



    I'll post them when I get them.
    So you have no problem with shutting down this shop, even though your own source indicated that they have done nothing illegal?

    Matt

  11. #10
    Senior Member
    Array Jamie Young's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2006
    Location
    PA
    Posts
    559
    I think the shop needs to move out of that area. Pawn shops don't bring in the best of society in the first place. Putting a gun shop in a pawn shop is probable the root of the problem.

  12. #11
    DC Founder
    Array Bumper's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2004
    Location
    Missouri
    Posts
    20,045
    I'm sort of with Matt and others on this. If they were legal sales, then what should go away is the bar serving as a hangout for the drug dealers. The drug dealers are the problem, not the shop. And now that they have been busted maybe the problem is solved. I'd say that if he is required to move his shop, the city/county/state requiring it should pay for his move....
    Bumper
    Coimhéad fearg fhear na foighde; Beware the anger of a patient man.

  13. #12
    VIP Member
    Array Miggy's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2005
    Location
    Miami-Dade, FL
    Posts
    6,258
    Gun control activists say that in a single year, the shop that store sold 178 guns that were later used in crimes
    See how well articulated the statement was written. It doesn't tell what kind of crimes or if they were bought and inmediately used in a commission of a crime or if they were stolen and then used. It does not tell you what percentage of the total volume of guns sold during the year this number represent or if it is higher or lower than other stores.

    They tried to pull the same stunt here last year down here in South Florida. Incidentally, the name of the gun shop was Lou's too. A two day "in depth" reporting by the Miami Herald pointed the finger at this shop for selling the biggest amount of guns used in crimes. They sort of forgot, did not know or ignored that Lou's is probably the biggest sellers of firearms in SoFla and that the number of firearms sold from that store and used in crimes was a miniscule & ridicule figure. The funniest part was that some "concerned" advocates of gun control tried to hint that the store might be involved in some sort of illegal activities: shadowy figures, colombian drug dealers and gangsta types going to Lou's for their combat wares... which it is hilarious if you have actually tried to park nearby the damn store. Not only it has insuficient spaces but 90% of the spaces are taken by patrol cars from every darn jurisdiction in SoFla.

    You see, Lou's is the premier Gun Store for LEO's down here. Also a cop hangout. Not the type of place your average criminal goes to do a straw purchase or get an AK for tonite's Drive-By.
    You have to make the shot when fire is smoking, people are screaming, dogs are barking, kids are crying and sirens are coming.
    Randy Cain.

    Ego will kill you. Leave it at home.
    Signed: Me!

  14. #13
    Senior Moderator
    Array MattInFla's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2005
    Location
    Central Florida
    Posts
    4,857
    Quote Originally Posted by Jamie Young
    I think the shop needs to move out of that area. Pawn shops don't bring in the best of society in the first place. Putting a gun shop in a pawn shop is probable the root of the problem.
    So it is OK to destroy someone's livelihood (aka the business in question) even though they have complied with all applicable laws just to suit someone's whim?

    If the shop were violating the law, and making unlawful sales, I would be right there with you saying it must go.

    But the articles have plainly said that the shop's sales were legal.

    Matt

  15. #14
    Member Array mkeBob's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2006
    Location
    S.E. Wisconsin
    Posts
    291
    We had the same situation here in Wisconsin. Between 1996 and 1998 the largest gun store in our state was linked to the guns used to commit 40 homicides. However, all paperwork was done according to requirements and the store is still the states largest and best. If the stores are selling legally don't blame them, go after the people reselling the guns. In most of these of shootings it's the bad guys shooting each other anyway.
    The power of the future is in its ability to inspire the present.

  16. #15
    VIP Member
    Array Betty's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2004
    Location
    Nashville-ish
    Posts
    3,200
    Many years ago, a man chased down and hacked up his nephew with a chainsaw, and I was hoping that chainsaw wasn't bought at my dad's store, because I was afraid the family would include in their lawsuit the store the chainsaw was bought from. It wouldn't be the first time my dad was sued for the end-user's misuse; many years before that, a family misused a cleaning agent, set their house on fire, resulting in their baby being killed. Dad's insurance co. settled out of court, and to this day, I'll bet that family still blames my dad.

    If the guns were purchased legally, the store should not be held responsible.
    If they were sold illegally, they should be held responsible.
    If they were sold legally but the owner had clear knowledge the buyer was going to commit a crime with it, or knew it was a strawman purchase, they should be responsible.
    "Americans have the will to resist because you have weapons. If you don't have a gun, freedom of speech has no power." - Yoshimi Ishikawa

Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast

Links

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •  

Similar Threads

  1. The Gun Source?
    By carryon in forum Defensive Carry Guns
    Replies: 4
    Last Post: July 2nd, 2010, 10:33 PM
  2. New Source for M&P 45c Holsters
    By p8riot in forum Defensive Carry Holsters & Carry Options
    Replies: 1
    Last Post: March 16th, 2009, 08:30 AM
  3. I need a source for .44 mag SMJ, FMJ 230gr.
    By Sticks in forum Defensive Ammunition & Ballistics
    Replies: 4
    Last Post: July 13th, 2008, 02:51 PM
  4. I need a source
    By Duisburg in forum Related Gear & Equipment
    Replies: 2
    Last Post: June 24th, 2008, 04:38 PM
  5. Is there a source for....
    By havegunjoe in forum General Firearm Discussion
    Replies: 5
    Last Post: March 17th, 2006, 11:05 PM

Search tags for this page

gun store should shut down
,

upper darby big drug bust

,

what if a gun is sold illegally

Click on a term to search for related topics.