Colorado Sheriff Says He'll Actively Undermine Gun Ban On Campus

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    I sent a thank you letter also.
    he sounds like a stand up guy and I am more then willing to support him.
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    That is awesome!!
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    If I was a student anytime I left my dorm room or went to another class etc. on Campus I would call the Campus Cops and tell them since I'm unable to defend myself I am requesting an escort to prevent me from becoming a victim of their stupid policy,If every student that felt the same way would do it they would be tearing their hair out
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    Quote Originally Posted by dukalmighty View Post
    If I was a student anytime I left my dorm room or went to another class etc. on Campus I would call the Campus Cops and tell them since I'm unable to defend myself I am requesting an escort to prevent me from becoming a victim of their stupid policy,If every student that felt the same way would do it they would be tearing their hair out
    No they wouldn't unfortunately. Well, maybe at first. Then what? They'll raise tuition the following semester and hire more "Campus Cops"...I'd call them escorts, but I'm guessing that's not really the kind of service they provide.
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    Email sent! It makes me proud to be a Colorado resident!

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    I don't disagree with the sheriff. Still, I'm not sure where I am on if this LEO is doing the right thing. There are a number of times LEOs do the opposite, and this forum is filled with hundreds of posts on how those LEOs should be voted out or place in jail.

    What if this was an anti-2a LEO who stated he would "...undermine it in the interest of student safety..." some vote that allowed students to be armed?
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    For one thing the "Ban" is not law. It is policy. The Ban actually undermines the law is how it goes. So the title and your angle on it are erroneous.

    The Sheriff is not proposing to "undermine" any legal thing. He is saying he is not going to participate in the enforcement of such a policy. And he is probably legally obligated to do that since these Boards cannot write nor pass "law" that he can or should assist in the enforcement of.

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    Quote Originally Posted by retsupt99 View Post
    Unbelieveable...
    Sheriff Alderden really gets it.

    Liberals are accurately quoted, too...
    "I donít care about the facts."
    This really bugs the hell out of me! Liberals are not stupid; that campus police chief is stupid, along with the woman who refused to listen to the facts. They are not liberals. Academics are not smart because they managed to figure out how to pass a test and were able to afford an education and had the time to do so. Remember, "them that can, do; them that can't do, teach; and them that can't teach, write text books". Now for the liberal point of view on the quote: sometimes, LOL. If you must use labels, especially the "L" label, please make sure that you use the correct label. By definition, a person with a closed mind can not be considered a liberal. A true liberal would ponder the CCW issue and conclude: why not, after all, holders of a CCW are mentally sound, well trained, care about safety, and have passed a rigorous back ground check by the best law enforcement agency in the country.
    I'm not singling out retsupt99. His post just happened to the the one that prompted me to write. I see myself as a very liberal minded person and it really bothers me that stupid people are mistakenly labeled as liberals.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pixs View Post
    This really bugs the hell out of me! Liberals are not stupid; that campus police chief is stupid, along with the woman who refused to listen to the facts. They are not liberals. Academics are not smart because they managed to figure out how to pass a test and were able to afford an education and had the time to do so. Remember, "them that can, do; them that can't do, teach; and them that can't teach, write text books". Now for the liberal point of view on the quote: sometimes, LOL. If you must use labels, especially the "L" label, please make sure that you use the correct label. By definition, a person with a closed mind can not be considered a liberal. A true liberal would ponder the CCW issue and conclude: why not, after all, holders of a CCW are mentally sound, well trained, care about safety, and have passed a rigorous back ground check by the best law enforcement agency in the country.
    I'm not singling out retsupt99. His post just happened to the the one that prompted me to write. I see myself as a very liberal minded person and it really bothers me that stupid people are mistakenly labeled as liberals.
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    I think you're confusing the "Political" definition with the "literal" definition of the term Pixs.
    By Political definition these people are whole heartedly LIBERAL's IMO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cphilip View Post
    For one thing the "Ban" is not law. It is policy. The Ban actually undermines the law is how it goes. So the title and your angle on it are erroneous.

    The Sheriff is not proposing to "undermine" any legal thing. He is saying he is not going to participate in the enforcement of such a policy. And he is probably legally obligated to do that since these Boards cannot write nor pass "law" that he can or should assist in the enforcement of.
    This.

    Other than inside K-12 public schools & where illegal under federal law, CCW is allowed in *all* public buildings in Colorado except those that screen everyone and can store your handgun while you're in the building.

    CSU is a public university and is trying to circumvent the law through a policy change.

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    The Sheriff is supporting the Constitution and Colorado law. It so happens that these conflict with an asinine school policy. Policy loses (as it should).

    As for use of the term "Liberal"... The words "Socialist" and "Communist" have been inextricably linked to the idea of oppressive government control. If you're going to keep a failed ideology, you'll have to change the name once in a while or you'll never get anywhere. Hence the adoption of "Liberal" and now "Progressive."

    We all understand the difference between "liberal" and "Liberal" and that context determines which definition applies.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pixs View Post
    This really bugs the hell out of me! Liberals are not stupid.... Remember, "them that can, do; them that can't do, teach; and them that can't teach, write text books".Now for the liberal point of view on the quote....
    Well, speaking as a TEACHER in the public schools with over 20 years experience and having been a social studies Teacher of the Year in the past, I would submit that you might want to re-think that assertion of yours just a TAD. Welcome to the forum but I would not call this post of yours an auspicious beginning. Your definition of the world liberal might work as applied to the dictionary but it no longer works as a matter of politics or culture and this has been true for a number of decades. I barely know where to start on this one, but I'm sure there are others here that will. I'm going to leave this where it sits before I lose my temper.
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    A true liberal would ponder the CCW issue and conclude: why not, after all, holders of a CCW are mentally sound, well trained, care about safety, and have passed a rigorous back ground check by the best law enforcement agency in the country.
    Ah, a variant of the "no true Scotsman" fallacy. One of my favorites.

    I get your point: the Second Amendment belongs to all of us, whichever party we root for come election season.

    But traditionally, the Dems (liberals) wanted to take gun rights away, while the Repubs (conservatives) wanted to preserve gun rights. Now that old demographic has begun to change a little, and that's nice -- but it doesn't undo a hundred years of history. No sense getting upset with people who haven't noticed (or don't believe) that the "true" liberals have suddently discovered the importance of gun rights.

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