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    A true liberal would ponder the CCW issue and conclude: why not, after all, holders of a CCW are mentally sound, well trained, care about safety, and have passed a rigorous back ground check by the best law enforcement agency in the country.
    Ah, a variant of the "no true Scotsman" fallacy. One of my favorites.

    I get your point: the Second Amendment belongs to all of us, whichever party we root for come election season.

    But traditionally, the Dems (liberals) wanted to take gun rights away, while the Repubs (conservatives) wanted to preserve gun rights. Now that the demographic is changing a little, that's nice -- but it doesn't undo a hundred years of history. No sense getting upset with people who haven't noticed (or don't believe) that the "true" liberals have suddently discovered the importance of gun rights.

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    I got a reply from the Sheriff - Sounds like the kind of guy I would like to be Sheriff in my neck of the woods, if we had Sheriff department up here!

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    I got one of his mass emails...who knew he was the ballon boy sheriff....lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by dukalmighty View Post
    If I was a student anytime I left my dorm room or went to another class etc. on Campus I would call the Campus Cops and tell them since I'm unable to defend myself I am requesting an escort to prevent me from becoming a victim of their stupid policy,If every student that felt the same way would do it they would be tearing their hair out
    Actually, some colleges provide security escort service for that reason. Like Rochester Institute of Technology in upstate New York, where even pepper spray is banned on-campus.

    I asked RIT security office may I apply for pepper spray carry permit and they 'laughed' at me. Despite the policy permitting carrying firearm and other self-defense weapons under limited circumstance in place since 1988, they told me not a single exception had been issued for 22 years.

    I'm glad to live in Utah, the only state that allows concealed carry on-campus for those with carry permit. I haven't heard about Texas, though.

    I sent Sheriff Alderde a complimentary letter.

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    His reply to our e-mails

    I may have already responded to some of you so if this is redundant, please forgive me. I have been overwhelmed with e-mails regarding my position on the CSU rule prohibiting students, faculty or staff from carrying anything on campus that may be used in self-defense; i.e. concealed handgun, mace, or stun gun. This is incredibly irresponsible.

    I have received 170 e-mails from all corners and coasts of the United States supporting my position. I haven't had such a response since my Third Annual Politically Incorrect Christmas tree Decorating Party or the Balloon Boy incident. For those of you who haven't made the connection, yes, I'm the overweight bald Sheriff who was at the center of the Balloon Boy Hoax. I tried responding individually to your e-mails to express my appreciation for your kind words, but it soon became evident that I wasn't going to be able to. I do have a few other things on my plate. To each of you, please accept my humble appreciation for your support and encouragement.

    By the way, I did get one negative e-mail. 170 to 1, and it wasn't from Dr. Frank, the CSU President.

    Many of you have suggested that I run for higher office. I have said it before, but I don't think there is any higher office than that of Sheriff. It is an office that gives me the most direct contact with the people and the best opportunity to act rather autonomously to do the right thing. I only have to answer to the public, not the politicians. In any event, I'm about to wrap up a 38 year career and my 12th as Sheriff. I would love to hang around but Colorado enacted term limits several years ago to ensure that the most qualified and competent people can't remain in office too long.

    Again, thank you for taking the time to write but my position really wasn't a difficult or courageous decision to make as some of you have implied. It was simply the right thing to do and in keeping with my sworn oath.

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    The Colorado State University Board of Governors voted unanimously Tuesday to place students at both of its campuses in harm’s way with a sweeping weapons ban law-abiding citizens will obey and criminals will ignore.

    Larimer County Sheriff James Alderden, outraged by the ban, told The Gazette’s opinion department he will undermine it in the interest of student safety.
    The people of the state have agreed it is in the best interests of all upstanding people to be armed, on campus. Since this is a state-funded school, I see no point of the actions of the school's governors except to punish upstanding citizens for otherwise benign and legal acts.

    The Sheriff is doing the right thing.

    Of course, none of the Sheriff's actions will keep a student from expulsion or a member of the faculty/staff from being fired in retribution. Brilliant, CSU board of governors. Punitive putzes, all, without an ounce of an understanding of the way of things. Reality is, criminals have never given a whit about the silly proclamations of rules hounds. They're criminals; hence, they're already bringing weapons onto campus; and, in the end, penalizing upstanding citizens for carrying the means of defending themselves against the crimes the university fails to stop will only achieve retribution against the innocent. It won't do anything about crime.

    "Many of you have suggested that I run for higher office. I have said it before, but I don't think there is any higher office than that of Sheriff. It is an office that gives me the most direct contact with the people and the best opportunity to act rather autonomously to do the right thing. I only have to answer to the public, not the politicians."
    Fairly perceptive of the Sheriff. He understands that answering to political expediency by definition screws the people and their interests. He won't do that, preferring instead to answer directly to the people. This is how it used to be.
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    This guy's got some guts. He is really putting his behind behind the law. :)

    I love it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jumpwing View Post
    The Sheriff is supporting the Constitution and Colorado law. It so happens that these conflict with an asinine school policy. Policy loses (as it should).
    A spot-on assessment, in my opinion.

    Now that is a Sheriff I could vote for!
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    Makes me proud to be from Colorado.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ExSoldier View Post
    Well, speaking as a TEACHER in the public schools with over 20 years experience and having been a social studies Teacher of the Year in the past, I would submit that you might want to re-think that assertion of yours just a TAD. Welcome to the forum but I would not call this post of yours an auspicious beginning. Your definition of the world liberal might work as applied to the dictionary but it no longer works as a matter of politics or culture and this has been true for a number of decades. I barely know where to start on this one, but I'm sure there are others here that will. I'm going to leave this where it sits before I lose my temper.

    No, I stand by what I said, Please go back and read the next sentence after you ended the quote. When you are done reading that, I suggest that you look at what passes for text books today, not pretty. The news from RI last night didn't help.
    To all the teachers that don't fit that quote, keep up the good work!
    Here's another quote for you: "I don't care how to write a computer program, I just want the correct answer to put on the test so I can get a teaching credential to teach it". A student at U C Northridge that need a programming class to graduate; I was her tutor.
    Like LEO's, teachers catch a lot of flames, most don't deserve it but a lot do. The post was in reference to the topic and the people involved, not you specifically. Have a nice day,I hope that you are one of the teachers that does care enough to do it right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pax View Post
    Ah, a variant of the "no true Scotsman" fallacy. One of my favorites.

    I get your point: the Second Amendment belongs to all of us, whichever party we root for come election season.

    But traditionally, the Dems (liberals) wanted to take gun rights away, while the Repubs (conservatives) wanted to preserve gun rights. Now that old demographic has begun to change a little, and that's nice -- but it doesn't undo a hundred years of history. No sense getting upset with people who haven't noticed (or don't believe) that the "true" liberals have suddently discovered the importance of gun rights.

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    Hi Pax,
    Thanks for the understanding. Traditions change from time to time and from place to place. I'd like to be a party to a change, specifically, upholding the Constitution of the United States.

    Too many times politicians do the feel good thing instead of the right thing. Former Governor Jerry Brown, AKA Governor Moonbeam, and current Attorney General of CA (D) is pro second amendment. Meg Whittman ([R] candidate) is not. Politics here in CA is a difficult row to hoe. Our current Governor is a disaster for gun rights need I tell you who he is and what party he belongs to?
    I enjoy history but I live in the now. We all need to look past tradition and start to question the candidates about their principles and ideas.
    Thanks for not flaming me for my views, I realize that they are not popular with a lot of people.
    On point, we as a group, need to look for alleys for our cause, other oppressed (ideologically) minority's, that know the pinch of miss understanding and discrimination.
    Best to all,
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    Pixs, you seem to be thoughtful and intelligent, and for those reasons, I am glad you are joining the forum. Welcome. I agree with your assertion that "liberal" is a great word that should be applied in many places, and that the current understanding and how it is used in political terms is a perversion of the actual meaning. I hate it when idealogs steal good words and corrupt them. But that being said, if you are going to read this forum regularly, you should probably get used to reading peoples comments using the word "liberal" as a bad reference to the left-wing political spectrum. Although, I would support a movement where gun owners and others start using the term correctly and calling ourselves liberal supporters of the right to keep and bear arms. It would be great to see the looks on faces as they struggled to understand exactly what was being said.
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    Way to go sheriff. An excellent stance on this issue.

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