Va's CC restaurant ban repeal

Va's CC restaurant ban repeal

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    Thumbs up Va's CC restaurant ban repeal

    I talked to a couple Delegates this morning.

    Both are very positive that the Senator Hanger's repeal of ban of CC in restaurants and clubs that have ABC on-premises will become Law.



    For any of you who joined in the campaign

    daveh

    PS: also see:

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    This morning the House Militia, Police and Public Safety full
    committee met and passed the following 3 bills unchanged:

    SB 334, Senator Hanger's restaurant ban repeal, 16 to 5

    Voting with gun owners (if you are a constituent of any of these
    Delegates, be sure to thank them):

    Sherwood, Griffith, Wright, Carrico, Lingamfelter, Nutter, Cline,
    Gilbert, Merricks, Cleaveland, Morefield, Edmunds, Cox, J.A., Shuler,
    Lewis, Keam

    Voting against gun owners:

    Scott, J.M., Barlow, Miller, P.J., Tyler, James

    -

    SB 408, Senator Vogel, allows non-CHP holders to have a loaded handgun
    in a locked container or compartment in a motor vehicle or vessel, 17
    to 4

    Voting with gun owners:

    Sherwood, Griffith, Wright, Carrico, Lingamfelter, Nutter, Cline,
    Gilbert, Merricks, Cleaveland, Morefield, Edmunds, Cox, J.A., Barlow,
    Shuler, Lewis, Miller, P.J.

    Voting against gun owners:

    Scott, J.M., Tyler, James, Keam

    -

    SB 3, Senator Smith, clarifies that a CHP holder can renew his or her
    permit through the mail, 20 to 0

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    The restaurant ban (and the other two bills) now has two final hurdles
    before becoming law, barring anything unusual from happening:

    1. A vote on the House Floor on the, hopefully, UNCHANGED bill. This
    SHOULD pass easily, as a similar bill (HB 505) was passed a couple of
    weeks ago.

    2. The Governor signing the bill. Based on the Governor's public
    position on the restaurant ban repeal, this should not be a problem.
    I expect the bill will be on his desk this time next week. How
    quickly the bill gets signed, there is no way of knowing - it could be
    a few days or a few weeks. Either way it doesn't matter since the
    bill won't become effective until July 1 anyhow.



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    A win in Va is a win for us all!
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    I can't wait until July so I don't have to do the "TUCK" any more.
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    Don't count on it, just yet! Be sure to write and/or call for your Delegate's support.
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    Finally I'll be able to go to Chipotle for lunch again!
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    Thumbs up

    Quote Originally Posted by Tom357 View Post
    Don't count on it, just yet! Be sure to write and/or call for your Delegate's support.
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    Absolutely!

    We need to stay on it all the way to it being signed.

    However, I am very optimistic!

    Phillip uses the analogy that a bill becoming law, in Virginia, is like a baby turtle racing from land to the ocean across the beach. With every step, death looms in the form of birds and other animals trying to eat the turtles during that race. Only a small number actually make it to the ocean. Then there are all sorts of sea creatures to eat it before it grows up to be a adult turtle.

    In the General Assembly, the most likely way for a bill to die is that the Chamber Leader either pockets it or sends it to a hostile committee.

    Chamber Leader directs to subcommittee - Note: The Speaker of the House of is the most powerful Speaker in the nation, controlling every aspect of committee assignments, from who sits on which committee from BOTH parties, to which subcommittee handles which bill. He also has no obligation to assign a bill at all. If no committee sees a bill, it dies. This is called a Pocket Veto. The Senate has started doing more the same. The Leader there is VERY anti-RKBA. This year, he created a committee called something like Miscellaneous Bill to kill RKBA bills.

    Again at the Committee level, a bill is refereed to a Subcommittee or pocketed. Hence, what we call the "Death Star" Subcommittee that kills RKBA bills.

    Subcommittee - Debates, amends, and votes on whether or not to report a bill to the full committee. On a vote, IF-IT-TIES, IT-DIES. This is the mantra throughout the legislative process, along with IF-AIN'T-BROKE, DON'T-TRY-TO-FIX-IT.

    In the General Assembly, the bills are voted on at least 4 times, usually 6 times and can be voted on much, much more than that. With every vote, the bill can be killed.

    That is a GOOD thing, as we don't want too many laws and we only want laws that have been very well vetted, and to a great degree the process works against the Anti-RKBA folk. Little can slip through under the radar -- especially with the short legislative session.

    All that said, most of the most dangerous passage is behind us on this bill. To continue with the turtle analogy, this turtle is alread in the water, nearlly full grown, and swimming strong.

    Unless something drastic happens, we are down to one last vote, by the House, on a bill that has already passed the Senate and that is almost the identical wording of a bill that has already passed the full House. :dance ban:

    The main danger now is from the fake-RKBA delegates (the "I support the 2A, but....") who will vote for something on a floor vote (to avoid the wrath of voters back home) when they know it will die somewhere else (such as the Governor vetoing it or killed in a committee in the other house) -- however, when they are forced to vote the real deciding vote end up voting their real colors.

    I don't think the numbers of fake-RKBA delegates will have the to do it this time.

    However, as Tom357 said we have to stay on it all the way until the-fat-lady-sings.
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    Hooray! Minutes from the General Assembly confirms the Senate bill passed the House 72-27. C'mon Mr. Governor...

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