Mcdonald Vs. Chicago Transcript...

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    Mcdonald Vs. Chicago Transcript...

    The Supreme Court decided not to release the Audio of the Hearing, but they just released the Transcript. I will be reading this and "Casting Bones" to try to decipher how they will rule in June.

    http://www.supremecourtus.gov/oral_a...ts/08-1521.pdf
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    Why so short...?

    Wow, this article is really short. I should have it finished in no time at all!

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    McDonald v Chicago analysis by observers

    And here is some analysis by observers during the hearing, from SCOTUSblog.

    Analysis: 2nd Amendment extension likely...
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    Haven't looked at the transcript yet, but I am somewhat surprised that the SCOTUSblog analysis does not mention Sotomayor even once...

    Oh, well; it would have been nice if the privileges or immunites clause were properly dealt with by the Court. They had no problem in Heller circumventing prior bad SCOTUS precedent, but even Scalia seems to consider Slaughterhouse to be beyond issue.

    Kennedy is clearly the swing vote. Nice job by Chicago's lawyer torquing him off right out of the gate. I guess it will just take a whole bunch more cases now to determine just what RKBA we are about to have incorporated...
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    Their concern about unenumerated rights is a valid one, and all the precedent established after Cruikshank that would be thrown into chaos if Cruikshank were ignored - addressing privileges and immunities would be very messy, indeed.
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    It is pretty clear to me that they will incorporate the 2nd Amendment but allow for regulation. I doubt that they will elucidate the regulations any more here than they did in Heller.

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    Making sure the RKBA is incorporated is vastly different than engaging in legal necromancy to resurect P&I.

    The court was willing to do the first, but firmly closed the door on the second.

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    InspectorGadget, thanks for the link. Exactly what I came to the forum to find today. It's a pretty quick read and, like Heller, demonstrates that it's very hard, in oral arguments, to get to the end of a sentence uninterrupted, even by the Justices.

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    I was very disappointed to note that neither Gura nor Clements rebutted the Chicago position that their prohibition "saved several hundred lives per year..." by countering with a) the deaths that did occur happened with guns used in an illegal manner to begin with so why did anyone think criminals are obeying the law? and b) how many people are killed or injured by being unable to defend themselves. Too bad. No one really has a "street view" of the problem.

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    Most of the statistics are covered in the written briefs, they are fought and rebutted. Chicago claims it has saved lives, and many other briefs dispute that and show the numbers for DC (Down 25%)


    Merit Briefs for February Supreme Court Cases, Term 2009-2010 (ABA Division for Public Education)

    scroll down to - McDonald v. City of Chicago, IL, Docket No. 08-1521

    These are all a good read on the history of Gun Rights and Gun Laws.
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    Some analysis.

    Second Amendment Extension Likely

    "The Supreme Court on Tuesday seemed poised to require state and local governments to obey the Second Amendment guarantee of a personal right to a gun, but with perhaps considerable authority to regulate that right. The dominant sentiment on the Court was to extend the Amendment beyond the federal level, based on the 14th Amendment’s guarantee of “due process,” since doing so through another part of the 14th Amendment would raise too many questions about what other rights might emerge."

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    What would stop a state or city from regulating that a handgun can only hold 1 round of a caliber less then 22 and require a safety mechanism to ensure only the owner can fire it?

    Wouldn't that be just about the same as saying no guns?

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    Quote Originally Posted by rmilchman View Post
    What would stop a state or city from regulating that a handgun can only hold 1 round of a caliber less then 22 and require a safety mechanism to ensure only the owner can fire it?

    Wouldn't that be just about the same as saying no guns?
    That is exactly the type of "Common Sense Gun Laws" they want to pass. Four words should shoot down the GCA of 1968 and any state restrictions --- "Shall Not Be Infringed"
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    If I'm reading this correctly

    "The Supreme Court on Tuesday seemed poised to require state and local governments to obey the Second Amendment guarantee of a personal right to a gun, but with perhaps considerable authority to regulate that right"

    The SC would be allowing for such ridiculous regulations.

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