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Getting a Gun Safe. Opinion Needed

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#1 ·
I have a stack-on pistol safe as my bedside safe. It has a keypad on top for quick access and is big enough for my HD and CCW. It had worked very well for me. But now, my collection has grown. Other than my HD and CCW, which are kept loaded and in the safe, my other guns are kept in boxes in the closet while ammo is kept in air-tight ammo boxes in a different location. Now my wife is asking me to look for a bigger gun safe for all my stuff and other valuable (jewelry, passports/documents, etc).

Would this be a good option - http://www.amsecusa.com/Defense_Vault/. It might be cool to mount it to the bottom of the bed. It's got plenty of room for stuff other than guns, too. Or should I go for a smaller stand alone gun safe with fire protection? I might end up spending twice as much, which I don't really want to right now.

Any thoughts?
 
#6 ·
Biggest stand alone you can afford, would be my advice. Everyone I know, including myself, have bought safes, and filled them up over the years, necessitating the purchase of another. Mine is a 32 gun Fort Knox. It's HUGE, but it's full. I could squeeze a few more handguns in, because it comes with the velcro holsters on the inside of the door, but there is no more room for long guns.

A good safe, is peace of mind. I put off buying a gun safe forever. One year I was getting my stuff together to go quail hunting in the desert (Arizona). My youngest son and I were going, and I had a Remington 870 and a Winchester 1200 that we were going to take, stashed in the back of my closet. Imagine how I felt when I realized that the 870 wasn't to be found, and a full inventory revealed that a Marlin 30/30 was missing as well? LIVID!!!

I knew who took them, and dealt with that later, but I used this incident to motivate me to go ahead and get the gun safe. I also replaced the 870 with a Benelli M3 Super Eagle (I think it's called), so I traded WAAAAAY up. LOL

On a related topic, I am the only person on the planet that has the combination to my gun safe. When I was married, this was a topic of great "debate" shall we say. I refused to divulge the combination to my spouse, because to do so, would have rendered my safe, unsafe, and transform it into a high security steel and fireproof gun cabinet. She couldn't memorize ANYTHING, so it would have to be written down, which would result in it being compromised.

My younger brother, who I trust with my life, has a sealed envelope in his gun safe, that contains the combination to my safe, along with instructions as to how to deal with the contents, should I become incapacitated. It works for me.
 
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#7 ·
My personal preference - get a big safe but not TOO big, so you will have to get another. If the burglars who pounded on my safe managed to get in, I'd rather have two safes and let them take half the inventory, and make them work all over again to get into the second. They might not have that time to invest. And I can put the second safe in a different location, even squeeze it in a closet that has a narrower entry. My burglars stopped ransacking the rest of the house when they found the safe. I've also moved my safe three times for new residences, and moving really big ones can be a big PITA. We didn't hire a moving company, we did it all on our own.
 
#10 ·
Get one that holds at least 14. I recently built shelving in the back of my smallish 14 gun safe for ammo. Now it can hold about 8 long guns and several handguns. When I need more room, I'm just going to invest in another safe. Plus, if you have multiple safes, you can keep them in multiple areas of the house (like one up stairs and one down stairs).
 
#11 ·
Well, at 74 lbs, it isn't going to be all that stout. Uncertain which Stack-On variant you have, but many of those aren't all that stout either. Consider the quality, durability and thickness of the steel used on the construction, let alone the locking/hinging mechanisms. Imagine how simple or tough it would be to get into that unit with, say, an axe, hammer, prybar.

IMO, there's a reason for distinguishing between gun lockers and safes.

For some good reading on the basic differences and key features to consider when looking at a safe, check: Gun Safe Buyers Guide @ 6mmbr.com.

Or should I go for a smaller stand alone gun safe with fire protection? I might end up spending twice as much, which I don't really want to right now.
Depends on your needs.

Myself, I'd suggest going with a larger, heavier free-standing unit suitable for long guns, something you can bolt to the foundation, something that even if were ripped from the foundation couldn't easily be carted away. Which, IMO, would mean a safe of at least 1000 lbs, something with 1/4" steel minimum all the way around, fireproofing if you need it, manual as opposed to electronic locks. It's nice to have a handguns-only "mini" safe or locker nearby for when sleeping. Not that such things will keep anyone out if burgled while you're away, so I don't think much of them for ongoing storage when not in use. That's the purpose of a larger safe.

My choice: A ~1000+ lb standing safe that's suitable for long guns and handguns, bolted to foundation in a more-difficult to access area of the home; and a ~300+ lb floor safe that's just for handguns, wallet while around the house or sleeping, electronic or biometric lock for speed of access. Both hidden from casual view (visitors).
 
#12 ·
The under bed thing does look neat. That would be more for an HD shotgun or something than for use as an actual "safe" though. As mentioned above - a safe is really just a security container. If you can fit it into a closet and bolt it to the floor and/or wall studs - it's good enough. Someone who is a professional, or knows that you have a safe and where it is, or came prepared - will be able to get into any safe out there. A 2 stroke cutoff saw and a crowbar and hammer could get into almost anything.

I suggest thinking of where you would like to put it in the house - and then taking some measurements. You'll want a little wiggle room for getting it into place. External hinges are nice because they allow the door to open 180+ degrees - and they allow the door to be removed when you're relocating the safe. I get my door off with a deflated basketball, bicycle pump, and a hand truck. Works like a charm. My door weighs ~250 pounds.

Something vertical with shelves is good. This would fill up in about 2 weeks: Purchase the Stack-On 14 Gun Safe, FS-14-MG-C for less at Walmart.com. Save money. Live better.

This one has a bit more room. Get the Stack-On 24 Gun Fire Resistant Safe, FS-24-MG-C at an always low price from Walmart.com. Save money. Live better.

It's much better to have too much room in a safe, than to be cramped. Rifles and shotguns banging around, squeezed together....no fun.

Austin
 
#13 ·
What you really need to do is get yourself down to Enumclaw and visit Northwest Safe Company- Gun Safes Sales and Moving - Home Page. Tell them what you're looking for, what you can spend and they will help you out. When I went in, I told them my criteria and got a better safe than I expected for less than I expected to pay. It was an excellent buying experience.
 
#15 ·
I will add that you should have professionals move it in. I was planning on some friends moving in my Liberty 50 some gun safe into my house using beer powered brute force. Lucky for me my wife was able to negotiate free installation into the price. When I saw real professionals move it in without even scratching my hardwood floors I was glad I didn't try to do it myself.

And of course mine is packed full. Looking for a second one now.
 
#17 ·
We bought a Liberty safe and like it. I was sold on the quality and workmanship, and it's built in the United States.

Check them out but get one in the $2,000 range, they have better features and get the drab gray coloured. The "prettier" they are the more expensive they will be.
 
#18 ·
I suscribe to a diffirent notion about gun safes.

First, we are all on the same page here: quality matters, and the sturdier, stronger safes are more expensive.

But, I would rather have 3 medium sized safes, in different locations about the home, than 1 large safe.

By having more than 1 safe, I can purchase what I can afford and still get a good quality safe (i.e. buy 1 safe at a time).
Second, by properly installing the safes (bolted to floor and wall studs), I can segregate firearms by value, performance, or location.

I can keep the least valuable firearms in the (still good quality) safe hidden in the garage.
The collectable Colts and Winchesters somewhere else, and then the tactical weapons where I most likely would need to get
to them.
It would be hard enough to get into 1 safe; I can't imagine someone getting into all 3.
 
#19 ·
I have a Liberty and love it. I am looking at another one cause my collection is growing. But in answer to your question, yes, get a stand up, stand alone quality security/fire safe. Besides, they look nice too.
 
#20 ·
I have been following this message thread as I too have been shopping for a gun safe, the information here has helped me decide on installing a good home burglar alarm with multiple sirens and a cheap gun safe, I just finished getting the alarm system in, and am waiting on the cheap gun safe to be back in stock. I live in a small city with a relatively low crime rate (although we did have a street side attempted random? kidnapping last week) and live on a busy street only 3-4 blocks from the police station, and 2 blocks from the Sheriff's department main office, so a police car of one type or another tends to pass in front of my house ever 2-3 minutes on average. So I am working under the theory that if the alarm goes off any half way smart burglar is not going to hang around long, so all the safe will likely have to do is prevent a quick smash and grab.
 
#22 ·
Useful video overview of "safes": Gun Safes, "The Truth" @ YouTube.

Talks about the amount and strength of steel, composites, welds, and various other features.
 
#23 ·
I am going to toss out one additional point of security. Access.
If they can't get into the house, then they can't get to the safe. If they can get into the house, but the alarm goes off, then they can't get to the safe. But if all else fails, and they do get into the house and the alarm does not go off, then they need to find the safe. If they can't find it, they can't break into it.

Some people will put their safe out in the open. Personally, I made sure that unless someone knew exactly where to look and what to look for, they would never find it. Even if they did find it, they might not even realize it. Now this does not include the home defense weapons which are in a different location, but it does include everything else.

In the next few years, I am looking to upgrade substantially and I have already been talking with someone about how to put a safe where I need it to go. Once again, they will not find it.
 
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