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Why Dont Liberals get it?

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#1 ·
This may seem funny to some people, but the facts are there and it aint funny. Radical Left Wing Liberals are as a whole anti gun and anti CCW. This fact is backed up by the insane guin laws in california, DC etc. Why is it that almost all acts of gun violence that make the news (LA bank robber shootouts, Good Guys shootout etc. ) is in an anti gun state? Maybe because the criminals there KNOW that nobody will shoot back because only the criminals have guns. You will never see an incident like that in Texas, Virginia, Florida or any other state with right to carry laws purley due to the fact that the situation would be handled by the citizens long before the police ever bothered to show up. If all states allowed LAW Abiding citizens to carry weapons, criminals would have to be nuts to pull stunts like that.

And before anybody pipes up about the Virginia Tech shootings, It was at a school where no guns are allowed to be carried.
Just my two cents.
 
#2 ·
I am convinced that educated stupidity is the worst type of stupidity. To my horror most liberals fall into this category.
 
#3 ·
There are too many people who see the world the way they believe it "ought" to be, and not enough people who see it the way it actually is.

"Naive" is what I call most people like that. There are some very intelegent and otherwise good people out there who just believe that it could never happen to them or to their community.

Patience is called for in dealing with these types. I always try to remember that these folks are my neighbors and fellow citizens. They may be misguided on some issues, but that it is my responsibility to show, through my actions, that gun owners in general, and those of us who carry, are not psychopaths or terrorists.

The fact that so many still "don't get it" just means that I have more work to do.
 
#29 ·
There are too many people who see the world the way they believe it "ought" to be, and not enough people who see it the way it actually is.
Well said.... reality has a habit of knocking people in the head and to the ground some times.

I would like to ask Brady one thing ..... what law, do you think would have kept Hinkley from shooting ? There is NOT ONE .... his actions were all illegal, and it didn't stop him. It never will stop 'crazy' folk or criminals, so we might as well be prepared to defend ourselves from them.
 
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I wouldn't say never... most likely not to though..since most BG understand (atleast in Texas) that in a crowd most are armed and will not hesitate.

Yes, most of these mass shooting are in heavly gun controlled states and/or in gun free zones to boot.

It' s no brainer to us. But to the ones who suffer madsheep deasese, there is no hope. They are terminaly ill.

Most will just spit on you than learn through your actions.....I'm speaking from EXP. here. were talking radicals here...not just regular libs.
 
#7 ·
I don't know that I would call it a disease, mostly because they love to say conservatism is a disease and that one kind of pissed me off. One thing's for sure, they are misguided. Knowing what you think is right and what the statistics show are two different things. It has been my experience with those people I've talked to that they'd rather yell over you than have a real conversation based in facts. One of my aunts is one of those bleeding hearts and is scared of everything that moves. It's too bad I didn't carry when I lived in the same city as she does! :danceban:
 
#5 ·
I have a dear and close personal friend who is a bleeding heart liberal, and we occasionally lock horns. When this happens, she usually hangs-up or walks away. It’s been my experience that liberals don’t like facts and will defy basic logic. They live by a belief system whereby everything is Ok, and nobody is held accountable for anything. It’s actually a great concept for those who want to follow and never lead.
Regards,:rolleyes:
 
#8 ·
I have a dear and close personal friend who is a bleeding heart liberal, and we occasionally lock horns. When this happens, she usually hangs-up or walks away. It’s been my experience that liberals don’t like facts and will defy basic logic. They live by a belief system whereby everything is Ok, and nobody is held accountable for anything. It’s actually a great concept for those who want to follow and never lead.
Regards,:rolleyes:
Sounds like my dad. He doesn't like to cloud the issue with facts. Just his opinions.
 
#6 ·
saber nailed it exactly, unless you can convert them (very rare) they will never get it. they deal in emotion not facts and reality.
 
#11 ·
I agree,I have found the only way a true liberal is converted is
thru emotions . They have to a victim of a violent crime
IE bad ,violent,hard to live with emotions.
To me thats the saddest part,because until then they are going
around convincing others to be potential victims.:mad:
 
#10 ·
These are places which have deep crime problems, but decide that taking tools away from the law-abiding is the solution, somehow.

It'd be like if there was a road where there were multiple deer-car collisions everyday, and the government decided to take the cars away, allowing the deer the venture farther and farther onto the nearby highway and cause worse collisions.

Yes, occasionally, there will be a collision between cars. But by and large (in this analogy), more people get far more good out of a car. Defensive driving can mitigate such risk to a large degree.

The obvious solution would be to control the deer instead, because ultimately its their fault for walking into the road.

Of course, in this analogy, the deer are just animals who act on instinct; criminals are living people who make poor, selfish decisions and decide that no one else's life is worth anything.
 
#12 ·
"They have to a victim of a violent crime..."

Sometimes becoming a victim will shock an individual into reality but not always, as is evident by Mayor Bloomberg's recent visit to Virginia with the families of victims from the Virginia Tech shooting. Even after becoming a victim some still don't get it.

There has been an insidious form of education going on in the public school system and mass media aimed at demonizing firearms. Critical thinking skills (analyzing statements and determining their validity in support of a conclusion) are woefully lacking among the masses where much of their learning has been what they have been spoon-fed via the mainstream media controlled by left-wing liberals.

I've been a firearms owner for over twenty years. Not once during that time have I ever had the occassion to draw a weapon or point it at and individual because I felt I was in danger. Some would use that fact to minimize the need for a firearm. They really do believe it will never happen to them.

But my attitude is never say never. I haven't had a flat tire in years but I always carry a spare. I'd rather have it and not need it then need it and not have it.

Some people will never understand that concept of prepareness. On the contrary they have brought into the notion that it is more likely that they or someone else will be injuried by a firearm they own rather then an occassion will arise where that firearm be a tool for defending yourself or another innocent party. Why? Because the mass media hardly ever reports the successful use of a firearm by a civilian to defend themself.

A social mindset has been created in this country where a large percentage of the population buy into the concept that bigger government is the answer. I listen to some of the man on the street interviews in NYC and they are downright scarry when you hear how much confidence and trust people have put in this current administration.

We're approaching a tipping point in my opinion.
 
#13 ·
Ive delt with this mindset my whole life from Elementry school to today. Doesnt matter what happens, what you tell them prove to them, or show them. They will never learn, I learned that before I was 12, and had more then 3 dozen stab wounds because of it. Those that are Radical Libs, the ones that produce their own coolaid, are lost causes. Radicals are radical for a reason.
 
#14 ·
One of the most ardent gun rights supporters I know is a Liberal. I'll concede that most Liberals seem to be against guns, but some recognize guns as a legitimate right. He's constantly arguing with his Liberal colleagues - and not surprisingly, they listen - to him. In my opinion gun rights advocates would do well to seek out and support Liberals that share their views, rather than alienating them by lumping them in with the others.
 
#19 ·
I actually fall into this category. Most of my politics lean left but even I can't argue with raw statistics and facts. I remember the first time I really started to sway was when someone asked me to look at violent crime statistics in states with gun laws and those with looser regulation. I was surprised but the statistics didn't lie. Maybe I get a little of my 2nd Amendment zeal from my profession and always wanting to be prepared for the worst. But I can tell you, if you talk to a liberal the right way, you can coax them out of it. It is really all about diplomacy and how you engage someone...find the 'hook' that draws them over.

Then my uncle asked me what would I do if someone kicked in the door to my home and threatened me or my family...what would I do? At the time, all I could argue was that it wouldn't happen, never about what I would do if it did.

Just ask them what would they do...you'll find that fear is a common ground of all people...
 
#15 ·
Some people are too smart for their own good. You have heard of the expression ( book smart but don't know how to apply it.) Usually these kind of people have lots of opinions on some thing that they know nothing about. These people tend to be very naive.
 
#20 ·
gun control

anti-gun people have this notion that the stricter the gun laws, the safe America/public will be. They don't understand that GUN laws only affect law bidden citizens, criminals will always get GUNS.

As a retired officer, i always felt the more good guys/girls with GUNS, the better.

Anti gun people are people who want to feel good about having good intentions. When it comes to protecting the public and keeping America Safe, they do NOTHING.
 
#26 ·
anti-gun people have this notion that the stricter the gun laws, the safe America/public will be. They don't understand that GUN laws only affect law bidden citizens, criminals will always get GUNS.

As a retired officer, i always felt the more good guys/girls with GUNS, the better...
I don’t know if this is plausible but I would imagine that more people are murdered each year in America by blunt force trauma vs. a firearm. The national news media may not find anything sensational about those cases. Still, it would be interesting to see the FBI statistics on murder by other means vs. a gun.
Regards,
 
#21 ·
The only answer that I can come up with is 'stupidity', and that's difficult to fix.:gah:
 
#25 ·
It's a very common tendency with all humans to become set in an option, and no amount of logic, evidence, or reasoning can change that.

Imagine for example you have a boss who has an idea for a new way of doing things. Let's say this way has been tried before and has been proven ineffective. A reasonable person would listen to his employees and review past performance under similar conditions. The unreasonable person would ignore history, ignore the advice of others, implement the new plan, and when the new plan failed blame other factors.

At some point in their lives, people will latch on to an idea and never let go.

The idea of firearm limitation is actually logical to an extent. Follow along with me:
First, they see acts of violence committed by people with guns.
They compare this to acts of violence committed by people without guns.
They conclude that the presence of a firearm enhances the effectiveness of the actor (this is true, and why we carry as well).
They are unwilling to be violent in their own defense.
Their only chance of survival, is to only encounter acts of violence from unarmed people.
They conclude that by removing firearms, all acts of violence would be less potent.
At this point, the decision is made, and all further analysis ends.

The reasonable person would continue the logical thread to include methods of removing the weapons, and the effectiveness of those methods. They would look into previous weapon bans to determine their effect. They would look at bans of other products (alcohol, drugs) for parallels.

I guess the solution is early pro-gun indoctrination. This of course would be contrary to the free-thinking society we aspire to.
 
#27 ·
This relates to something else that gun-owners need to understand. Most gun opposition is based entirely on ignorance and fear. There are very few anti-gun people who give a crap about giving your guns to the U.N., disarming you, or establishing some sort of tyranny.

Before you run off to find links with quotes proving me wrong, consider this. Yes, they exist, but they aren't the norm. It's much like how I could go to some gun forums and within 60 seconds, find the most vile, racist, paranoid garbage imaginable. It's idiotic to characterize that as being from a typical gun owner, and the same goes on the other side of the fence.

When we see anti-gun people, whether in the media or in person, characterize us as blood thirsty, end of the world, racist whack jobs, how do we react? We rightly ignore such idiocy, maybe we dig in, but one thing we don't do is take that person or their argument seriously.

Now ask yourself what an anti-gun person thinks when we characterize him as being a facist/Marxist/socialist/Nazi who wants to hand our country to the U.N.
 
#30 ·
Why Don't Liberals get it?

I don't want to offend any dog owners but it is my belief that liberals are a lot like cockerspaniels. You could explain the imagery in Shakespeare to a cockerspaniel and it will look at you with seemingly rapt attention, appearing to understand. When you are done, however, all the response you will get is "woof". A cockerspaniel is a dog and dogs do have limitations.
You can explain all about gun rights, history, and freedom to a liberal and they will look at you with that very same rapt attention and appear to really understand. When you are done you will ask what they learned and you will be told "I don't like guns. You can't have one". Liberals, like cockerspaniels, have limitations.
 
#32 ·
This may seem funny to some people, but the facts are there and it aint funny. Radical Left Wing Liberals are as a whole anti gun and anti CCW. This fact is backed up by the insane gun laws in california, DC etc.
Politicians strategically use fear to maneuver into positions of power. They create 'issues' designed to provoke emotional response, such as so-called 'handgun violence', highly dangerous 'assault weapons', etc. in order to promise solutions while they campaign. Once they have obtained political power, it is used to gain wealth. It's not that they give a hoot about guns one way or the other -- it's all about money. Crocodile tears and AWB? Money in the bank and political power.

Many people are oblivious to their own manipulation; enough to win an election, one way or the other. If there were enough television ads and newspaper articles, we would all be voting for whoever promised to protect us from the dreaded Booger Man. Or Global Warming. Or Trans-Fat. Or Big Tobacco.

Radicals (left or right wing) are usually highly emotional and thus easily manipulated. You can lead a horse to water... and if he's not paying attention, you can tell him it's grape Kool-Aid.
 
#33 ·
"A mans got to know his limitations" - Dirty Harry

I don't normally post so far into a thread because somebody usually gives a great answer, and nothing more needs to be said.

I read this thread, and all of you are hitting on the symptoms but not the source of the problem.

Why don't liberals get it? They were brainwashed by television.

T.V. is the culprit. Humans believe what they see. Prior to television you believed what you parents and grandparents told you. You discussed ideas with your friends. You older brothers and sisters were your role models.

Growing up on T.V. you watched how life was supposed to be. There was the ideals of a perfect family and a world without violence and war. Then some socialists, progressives, (enter your own term), people realized that they could help shape the world to their views with this wonderful machine.

Add in the radical professors in the class room and these people didn't have a chance. These same disillusioned people are now reporters and journalist and they keep injecting the same non-reality based opinions.

Take into consideration that most of these bleeding hearts that want to help the criminals and restrict your guns rights live in neighborhoods that have little or no crime. They have no concept that violence exists. These are the people that believe no animal would kill another. They don't show it on Mutual of Omaha it doesn't exist.

As for the comment about the survivng families of violence. They were not the subjects of the violence therefore they no not the terror of the event. Those that are the victims and still don't protect themselves have not the mental skill to accept that a) it would ever happen again, b) they have the right or ability to do it.

How many people still give their opinions on why they shouldn't wear a seatbelt. The govt. had to pass a law to make stupid people protect themselves from injury. Unfortunately the govt. will not pass an "everybody must be armed" law to protect stupid people from injury.

That's my theory anyway. :rant:
 
#35 ·
stanislaskasava
"Radicals (left or right wing) are usually highly emotional and thus easily manipulated. "

I could not agree more. There's a good bit of kool-aid being drunk around here.
Talk about revolutions / civil war.
ROFLMAO.
 
#37 ·
They are a product of public education and many left leaning lib colleges.
We are steadily losing the battle to "behind the scenes" anti-gun brainwashing of young malleable minds which has been going on for decades already.
Also the mainstream media is solidly anti-gun and so it is all reinforced there also.
 
#39 ·
Why Dont Liberals get it?
Closed minds ... the bane of forward progress. That goes for anyone with a closed one, liberal/conservative/whatever.
 
#40 ·
Pretty much, without exception, all schools - grade schools, junior-high schools, high schools, and colleges and universities - maintain an anti-gun agenda that is propelled and influenced by both policy and teaching these days.

I've seen this first-hand. My nieces - who were quite little at the time - would come over to visit my wife and I on occasion when we lived back in the mid-west. On one of these visits, they happened to come by while I was loading ammo for an upcoming match. They asked "What are you doing Uncle David?" I said, "I'm loading bullets girls." Their immediate response was "Can we help you Uncle David?". Their Mom - my sister - was neither pro-gun nor anti-gun, so they were naturally curious and non-judgemental about what I was doing.

My wife and I moved to Oregon 8 years ago, and so we rarely speak with my nieces who are all grown up now (18 and 17 respectively). On our most recent visit back to the mid-west, we happened to spend some time with the younger girl. I can tell you, she is now firmly in the anti-gun camp, parroting the crap she learned from her teachers. It was pretty shocking to see the transformation in her! :confused:

There are essentially three categories of people in this country when it comes to guns:

1. Owners of guns that pass on a love of guns to children they may have. This group constitutes a relatively small minority of people.

2. Haters of guns that pass on a hatred of guns to children they may have. This group also constitutes a relatively small minority of people.

3. People who don't care that much about the issue that pass no opinion about guns on to children they may have - children that are getting their opinions about guns from school and the media. This group constitutes the relative majority of people.

Do the math, and it's pretty easy to see the future of gun ownership in this country! We have to start fighting back against this brainwashing of our young people, or the future of guns in the U.S. is pretty much doomed to extinction.
 
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