IBTL....

Take out CCW badge...put on chain around neck

Put on CCW sash

Call 911....put on Bluetooth headset

Start digital recorder

"tactically" walk up...using cover and concealment....

Use camera function on iPhone...upload to Facebook

Announce "citizens arrest" and start collecting badge numbers....



Seriously??

You're kinda making assumptions that you know information that you CANNOT know as you are driving by...

 

Personally, I think that the Rodney King incident was a case of poor tactics, no more. As I understand it the concern was King attempting a Folsom Roll, which is easily circumvented with a dog pile or other measures, which there were sufficient officers there to accomplish.

 

Also, do not forget the Rodney King beatings

You have an amazing memory INccwchris, The Rodney King incident took place in 1991, 19 years ago.
You are what, 19? That would have made you 0 at the time.

 

While I was one to bring up Rodney King... And I am old enough to remember it... We know that King was a recidivist, and in all truth probably got off lightly that night as already mentioned. As to tactically correct handling of that incident, I can certainly understand that in the heat of the moment, even the most well trained LE can make tactical mistakes.

I have also witnessed inappropriate force being used against a suspect by police... It happens...I will even give the police the benefit of the doubt most times.

Sure, in big cities, and small, there are opportunities for LE to be corrupt. It's probably rarer today that it was years ago... but back when I was younger, some of the best parties were thrown by people in the criminal justice system (on the good side) with substances obtained in encouters with misdemeanor offenders and LEOs were in attendance and partaking.

Unfortunately for LE... any deviation from perfect behavior, makes them "dirty" "corrupt" or otherwise "bad."

And, Gasmitty... the King thing may have been "edited for prime time" but we all know that there are other exceptions to exemplary behavior that prove the rule... most times the bad ones get caught, eventually.


SO back to the OP... yep, it could happen... I would not be able to personally intervene without too great a risk... this is a job for the press... Most lkely I don't have a DA, or state cop's number on speed dial... But most of the news outlets around here have a "*9 or #222 on your ______cellular phone breaking news hotline" to call...

 

Call 911 and take video, be a good witness etc. Your permit doesn't make you a super hero and the last guys I want to take on are a bunch of highly trained dirty cops. (nothing against honest LEOs)

 

Sigguy, While normally it isnt possible to distinguish the difference in a mugging or someone defending theirselves while driving by, if stopped, it is pretty easy to tell the difference between a resisiting subject and a person just being beaten, especially considering that many people on here have some of the same training as LEO's because of their jobs or past careers. Even the average citizen can tell a difference between wrestling someone to the ground and just an absolute beat down. And as to the Rodney King comment, we had this thing in school called history and social events class, it was one of the topics mentioned. And I agree that the police were justified in their original actions but they went too far in the heat of the moment. So don't think I am ignorant of an issue just because of my age. Personally, if i saw this, i would be afraid to even dial 911 because they might just say well theres police there handling it and hang up the phone

 

Or it could be thugs pretending to be police....either way I'd call 911, report it and hang up.

 

IBTL!

Bail out of the situation and never look back. Questions to ask yourself.
1) What is the likelihood that this big gang of dirty cops picked these people at random as opposed to these people tried to screw them on some kind of a deal?
2) What are the odds that every single cop in their organization is there participating in the beat down?
3) What are the odds that every single person in their organization will be identified, located and incarcerated before they identify you?
4) If they identify you, what do you think the life expectancy is now for you and your family?

 

anyone that thinks this is a far stretch scenario should watch this video..http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=54162036

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9efgLHgsBmM

 

Why is it these things never happen to upstanding citizens? It is incidents like this that make LE look bad, when blown out of porportion and viewed by people who do not understand a force continueum. Stay down means just that. You try to get up or alter your position and your gonna get whacked. These are the type of people who would take your belongings, rape your wife and daughter in front of you and laugh during a pretrial hearing knowing they will accept a plea deal and be out in 5 years. When you are around these people everyday, and hear them Bragg about their crimes, and taking no responsibilties for their actions, that things aren't fair for the law abiding citizen. They survive and thrive only because of the protection the law affords THEM. When they commit acts of violence against citizens, rape and murder, I am sworn to protect them and see they make it to trial. So don't think these people are upstanding citizens getting mistreated by LE. If you have ever dealt with them you would understand they live by a completely different set of codes and thought process, and sometimes physical force is all they understand. They initiate the action thru noncompliance and then cry foul when they get what's coming to them.

 

Why is it these things never happen to upstanding citizens? It is incidents like this that make LE look bad, when blown out of porportion and viewed by people who do not understand a force continueum. Stay down means just that. You try to get up or alter your position and your gonna get whacked. These are the type of people who would take your belongings, rape your wife and daughter in front of you and laugh during a pretrial hearing knowing they will accept a plea deal and be out in 5 years. When you are around these people everyday, and hear them Bragg about their crimes, and taking no responsibilties for their actions, that things aren't fair for the law abiding citizen. They survive and thrive only because of the protection the law affords THEM. When they commit acts of violence against citizens, rape and murder, I am sworn to protect them and see they make it to trial. So don't think these people are upstanding citizens getting mistreated by LE. If you have ever dealt with them you would understand they live by a completely different set of codes and thought process, and sometimes physical force is all they understand. They initiate the action thru noncompliance and then cry foul when they get what's coming to them.

glockman, as far as I am concerned you are right on the mark. Convicts or future convicts don't have the same value system that most people have. They view life, reward, punishment among many other things completely differently than we do. The problem I see is that most people on a jury have never dealt with that personality.

 

Cell phone video time.
The real question is, who will pay the most money for it?

 

I would turn off my Grand Theft Auto game

 

I'd shoot the cops, center of mass, and run like the wind.... but that is just me, and I hate dirty cops with a passion.

 

Hold it! I think we have a winner here. Present him with the Dumbest statement of the year award. So here's a different take on this thing. What if, it was a domestic violence call, cops respond and get ready to arrest the man, but girlfriend clocks, and starts fighting officers cause now she's changed her mind? So now what you think you see is actually officers attempting to make 2 arrests and you decide, with all your experience from watching the spin on the news that you are going to shoot them?
I have been in a situation backing up another officer who responded to a DV in progress, and when we were arresting the dirtbag, piece of crap, woman beating, cowardly piece of??$@, the family members freaked out because they didn't want him to go to jail, and we had to fight the whole famn damily.

I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say you probably shouldn't carry a weapon if that's really what you would do.

 

In addition to the fact that COM will hit vests and if they are dirty they will then probably kill you.

 

Even if they aren't dirty they will probably kill him because he just shot at police officers.

 

Nature has a way of weeding out the stupid.

 

boy look at the number of broken sarcasm detectors lol, if you were being serious though, bad bad bad idea

 

He’s got it all wrong. that’s when you break out the RPG launcher or the personal chain gun. Have to ask, because there dirty cops does it still give you stars you have to deal whith.

 

This is obviously not a pair of resisting criminals and is just two people getting a beat down and getting beaten to a pulp by a gang of dirty cops, what do you do?

Did I mention the two lives were in actual danger of being beaten to death

Things are rarely perfectly obvious from a glimpse of a few indicators. It's hard to know details, including that they're in actual mortal danger (beyond the simple reality that any harsh beating can be deadly).

This is the sort of situation in which direct physical involvement is a fool's pleasure. We don't have to look very far to find examples of public abuse of the public trust in which people are very effectively coerced or forced into submission. While it's no longer likely to result in a disappearance (as occurs with fair regularity in some countries), "interfering" in "police" business might well get a person beaten or injured badly.

For myself, I'm not so naive as to believe any such recording would survive the day if it actually turned out the situation was a view of corrupt cops doing the "nasty" on citizens. I'd withdraw. Whether I'd first call 911 or the local television news group would depend on how "obvious" I thought the violence of the situation was.

In my state the law says I can shoot a police officer if the officer is clearly stepping out of bounds of law enforcement.

That's as it should be. And in a situation where a lone cop has clearly crossed the line to murderous action and clearly needs immediate stopping, that's one thing. It's something else entirely when a large group of officers is briefly seen in the midst of beating upon two people ... where little else is known. Big, big difference. The situation's going to have to be far clearer to me than what is suggested in the OP, a glimpse of indicators while passing by.

 

to the op the only option here is to run. Maby get a snap shot or quick video if you are feeling your Wheaties that day. But just take a quick look at the tatical situation. 5+ guys all armed, in a frenzy, most likely with body armor against one person with his peashooter. you are gona die if what the op said was true. if it was a legit police action then they dont need help as they outnumber the people on the ground.

 

I would quietly move along and hope they didn't notice me...I saw nothing and was never even in that part of town. I might even claim to be blind. Perhaps amnesia. Who are they and what were they talking about again?

 

"Don't believe anything you hear and only half of what you see"

My Father

Coming up on this type of situation you have no idea whats what or whos who, one must be very careful in this type of situation. As mentioned it could be thugs impersonating cops, could be this guy getting beat has a knife and won't give it up, maybe this "bg" just left one of the officers home and he has suspected his wife of cheating (not that he is justified) you jsut never know

 

i wonder how many people saw this very scenario play out in 1930 with the German police or in the 1770's with the red coats

 

This thread is so far fetched and off the sphere that unless the OP intends to make some sort of real-world point real soon...the thread is going to get locked down for being totally Stuck On Stupid.

This quote which I totally concur with,

coupled with some really dumb statements, get this one locked.