Wait razor listen for it. He will say it we have disagreed with him. You know it is coming..........ANTI GUN, ANTI GUN, YOU WANT THEM BANNED, YOU WANT TO TAKE AWAY MY RIGHTS, ANTI GUN, ANTI GUN, THAT IS WHAT THEY SAY......Sorry just preparing you for it did not want you to be surprised.
Jcabin you asked the question Is your life less valuable because you carry a firearm and drink? Who in the hell are you to say it is ok that an innocent person dies at your hand because you have the right to get smashed, bashed, sloshed or drink as much as you want? Oh wait they were gonna die anyway at the hands of the bad guy. Got it.
Gee I hope no one else in the bar has the same attitude you do because you might just be the one chosen to be the sacrifice...but you were gonna die anyways.

 

Anti-gun arguements. You believe that consuming alcohol while carrying a gun means certain death to anyone in the area. Anti-guns believe carrying a gun, PERIOD, means certain death to anyone in the area. You don't see the connection of sentiments?

I never said innocent people should die? Could any of you stop convoluting my statements and actually respond with an original thought?

If you know you can't handle 1 beer and carry, don't drink. It's called freedom. Again, stop putting words in my mouth, I never said someone should drink till they black out while carrying, just because they can. I said nobody loses the right to self defense simply because they've consumed alcohol. I don't know what kind of events you guys are envisioning, but they sound very similar to the same scenes an anti-gun would portray. Blood in the streets, arguements over parking spaces, people aren't trained adequatly to handle firearms, etc.

 

:hand1:WOW! This thread has gone down hill.:argue:

 

Well glad you did not disappoint with the anti gun statements. As I said this is not about a beer with dinner it is your comments throughout these posts that you should/could/would drink as much as you want and carry a gun because that is your right given to you by the constitution and Penn state law.

I never said innocent people should die?
"Yeah, the person shooting might screw up, but if he kills one bystander person in the process, he might have stopped 10 others from dying at the hands of the criminal."

If that statement does not mean that an innocent person may die at your hand but is an acceptable loss because they were gonna die anyway, please tell me the point you are trying to make.

As your posts have gone on you have continued to downplay the drinking angle. The first ones you stated and greatly defended, I can drink as much as I want, doesnt affect me, I know my limitations and so on.

When someone else mentioned common sense and responsibility you downplayed it as not relevant. It was your right to drink as much as you want in a bar because everyone else does and everyone carries a gun!
Now you are making statements that if you cannot handle a couple of beers or It should be common sense for any American.
Well no ****, it should also be common sense not to drink and carry a firearm but I guess you can pick and choose the time, place and level of common sense you employ because you know you limitations.

 

Well glad you did not disappoint with the anti gun statements. As I said this is not about a beer with dinner it is your comments throughout these posts that you should/could/would drink as much as you want and carry a gun because that is your right given to you by the constitution and Penn state law.

I never said innocent people should die?
"Yeah, the person shooting might screw up, but if he kills one bystander person in the process, he might have stopped 10 others from dying at the hands of the criminal."

If that statement does not mean that an innocent person may die at your hand but is an acceptable loss because they were gonna die anyway, please tell me the point you are trying to make..

I'm saying it might happen, and it would suck. Would you rather stand there and die, or make the best attempt you could at stopping an active shooter? Clearly, one would do what they could, they would wait until there are no bystanders in the line of fire. They would try and get an angle so there would be no person behind the target that the bullet might hit, etc.

When someone else mentioned common sense and responsibility you downplayed it as not relevant. It was your right to drink as much as you want in a bar because everyone else does and everyone carries a gun!
Now you are making statements that if you cannot handle a couple of beers or It should be common sense for any American.
Well no ****, it should also be common sense not to drink and carry a firearm but I guess you can pick and choose the time, place and level of common sense you employ because you know you limitations.

No, I was talking about YOUR limitations and being responsible. If you know your limits, follow them. I never said anyone should drink until they can't control themselves, just because they can. Is convolution the only debating skill you have?

 

Unloved are we not reading the same thing.

exactly...except for a courthouse/jail nowhere should be off limits

That is from Rmodel65 comment on page 8.

 

Yeah, we're reading the same thing.

except for a courthouse/jail nowhere should be off limits

rmodel65 is saying that he thinks courthouses, and jails should be off limits, but nowhere else.

You've made reply after reply jumping down people's throats for things that they have not said.

 

Jcabin a debate takes two people with the same basic level of education and experience on opposite sides of an issue presenting facts relavent to their side of the debate. You dont have that. But dont feel bad I dont debate with my 4 year old either. I tell what is right or wrong until she is old enough to know the difference.

 

Ouch. If you want to stop debating because you feel you can no longer make a valid arguement, then by all means please stop wasting our time(we knew this from your first post). If you want to sling insults, then I know where you stand. You would rather use your gun to solve an arguement than use words. You've quickly devolved from a poor attempt at debating, to slinging insults. I can only wonder how much further it would take for you to pull your gun out in anger.

 

Oh and by the way just so you can justify your LEO post.

I will say this loud and clear so even unloved will not misread it.

Jcabin I pray that you are never involved in the taking of another human life. I hope that no matter your internet bravado says about you on here that you do show responsibility when you drink and carry.
You are damn right I was a cop for a long time and spent many a night cleaning up a crime scene because some young kid talked smack to the wrong person and had his throat cut ear to ear, skull crushed with a baseball bat, or a four year old shot in a drive by because her mother wore the wrong color shirt.

But you continue on with your banter maybe someone will listen to it. Someday you may be on tv touting how you can drink by law in a bar and carry a gun while holding up a budwieser. The second amendment foundation will love for you to be there spokesperson.
As I stated before to me you are a mall ninja. Not because you stand for the tenants of liberty as you say but because you think you are some bad ass because you can carry a gun and have a false sense of bravado because of it.
Anyone who is against you is automatically ANTI GUN...ANTI GUN when you dont even know what the true responsibility of carrying a gun means much less using it.
But as I said before anytime you want to come and prove it get your passport and come on over got some people who would love to meet you.
Unloved you are welcome to join him. DID YOU GET THAT

 

Unloved you are welcome to join him. DID YOU GET THAT

Yeah, I get it. You're making vague, veiled threats for no reason that I can surmise. Post reported.

 

The laws around here MA, NH & VT that I'm familiar with do NOT prohibit CCW in a bar or restaurant. They do prohibit being "under the influence" of alcohol while possessing a firearm however.

Law aside, everyone has to understand him/herself, their tolerance of alcohol, the sort of place they are going, how they react to situations, etc. All of this needs to be taken in consideration if you are a responsible gun owner. So a good answer for one person may not work well for another person. This is definitely grist for the YMMV mill . . . and it gets discussed here every month or two with a new thread.

Personally:

- I don't go to bars and haven't done so since I was 23 yo (and the last 18 months of this was dating my Wife and it was strictly a piano bar, very low key) and I didn't own any firearms back then (a very long time ago). Before I met my Wife I occasionally went to only one disco/bar while I was in college. It was was run by the mafia (not speculation, but fact confirmed to me one day by the bookkeeper's Wife) and I only nursed 1-2 drinks for the entire evening there.

- I do go to restaurants and may have A DRINK with dinner, and I may be carrying. I don't consider this to be an issue. [A handful of times, I've been seated at the bar for dinner due to long wait for a table vs. we can seat/serve you now at the bar. Again not an issue.]

- I avoid problems, stay away from sketchy areas and would not intercede in anything I saw happen that didn't personally threaten myself, my Wife or those I'm with. If possible, I will make a safe exit and call in the heavy artillery.

 

I've reviewed this thread and it has degraded into a chest thumping contest, which we will not allow on this forum.

This thread is closed.

 

You just beat me to it!!