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SD wrote:

"We have plenty of oil and coal. Enough to last for many decades without a single drop from our trading partners. People make a big deal about oil, but even the 'peak oil' crowd have been shown to be wrong. "

That, even if correct, doesn't change the fact that presently we are vulnerable to oil blackmail and have been for 30 years, and we have done nothing to prevent it. We are our own enemy here because we have failed to do what needed to be done.


SD wrote:

"Of course, that still exists. If we really had a crisis, which Obama is leading us towards, we will not be held hostage to overpaid union members. The unions will rightfully be crushed (think the air traffic controlers...) and America will do what needs to be done."

Uh huh. Blame the wage earner for GMs management errors and hubris. I guess you never owned a lemon like my 1986 Buick, or my 1988 Tempo. What a relief it was when I finally bought --against my emotions as to what was patriotic-- a Japanese manufactured vehicle. Tell me again, how producing crapola products is the union's fault? Every design flaw was the fault of management decision making.

SD wrote: " We are dependent on no nation. We have the people, the resources, and the technology."

Yet somehow almost every product for consumers is made in China. That doesn't compute with your statement that we are dependent on no nation.

And if you look at the country of origin labels at your grocery store you will see where your food actually comes from.


SD wrote: "So you are a proponent of offshore drilling, coal mining and building nuclear power plants? Deep down you are a conservative!"

I am a proponent of a rapid move to a hydrogen/electric energy supply. I don't care if the electrons come from fission, fusion, wind, solar, geothermal, or magic.

SD wrote:
"We import food because of government regulations! "

Ridiculous.

We are on the verge of being a third world country unable to feed ourselves. And we are dumb enough to burn our food for fuel as well.

SD wrote:
"Exactly. There is no population issuel we have more than enough space. Try Hong Kong if you want to see what population density is all about. Or India."

Yes sir SD. That is surely the quality of life I want for my grandkids. Crammed up in slums like in India. Not such a good model for the American dream eh?

You haven't done the math yet. How many people here per sq mile? How many acres available per person? And then, how does that compare to what it takes to sustain a population.

SD wrote:
"We should encourage our people to be fruitful and multiply."

Why? So they can live lives of poverty and hunger.

Be fruitful and multiply made sense 3,000 years ago. It won't cut it today. Not for the US and not for any other place.

SD wrote:
"Limit government as the Founders inteded and the free market will solve all the problems. "

If the free market were capable of solving our problems we wouldn't be in the sad shape we are in right now. The free market is too inefficient as readily seen by the violent fluctuations in commodity prices, housing prices, stock prices, labor costs, and so on. The free market has destroyed our industrial base in favor of false productivity in the form of a bloated "financial services industry," in the form of a bogus notion that we can have an economy based on "information technology." We need industries that actually produced stuff, instead of mirages. There is a reason this country has recently lost 30 trillion in national wealth.

Well at least we agree on the conspiracy stuff which started this thread.