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I wasn't real thrilled with the Kramer I had. It never felt very secure to me and moved around a bit too much. It was way too slow to draw from for me. I prefer a belly band if I need that much concealment. I gave it to my Dad, he did some stitching to tighten it up in some areas and uses it occasionally. He won't chamber a round with it though. He says it isn't hard enough to make him feel comfortable chambered. I have no experience with the others and I gave up on the Kramer fairly quickly. Hope that helps a little anyways.
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