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Ti Carry · January 13th, 2008, 10:08 PM

Jaystekan,

That is a good post and well worth consideration by the many that are still going though issues with all of this.

The problem until recently with the allotment of this thread was all of us were "muzzled" for a lack of a better term and couldn't express or investigate issues with their holster makers or others with issues getting product out.

As well you want to believe and support the craftsman you have chosen to make your holsters so you want to allow them time to recover from unforseen problems or what you think at the time are legit problems and you are being told the truth. We as a gun culture want to help one another out and think the best and do not want to believe what a maker is telling you is false information.

However, it is not hard to figure things out on your own over time through the forums and you are able to pick up pieces here and there and you find that putting those pieces together it doesn't add up. I said my peace on the first page of this thread and won't open another can here but I did figure it out and I at that time had no need to go to the BBB as I was given a refund without asking. Not sure the BBB wants to here that I waited 14-16 months for a holster but got a refund.

Bottom line to my point is, most that are of the gun culture do not want to believe they are being had and only want to think the best and support thus they do not seek out the BBB or anyone else to help in a situation they think is normal at the time. With reading comments all the time like "it's worth the wait" or "it takes a long time for quality, but it's worth it" or "just order something to get ya by and the hostler will be in the mail before you know it".

It's not that anyone in these situations are sheep at all, it's because we trust one another and take the advice given here and on other forums seriously. Also, these problems being heard here are of the minority not the majority of holster makers. Post's here are mainly talking about a select few that have had issues. Wait times in the custom holster business are known to be long and are generally accepted. Most makers make there dead lines or are very close to them within a few week's you just have to decide if you want to wait that long or not.

The only thing that many here can be accused of is buying all the excuses from the minority makers involved in this hook, line and sinker not of being sheep for not telling the BBB or for not going to the authorities whoever they may be. It's another matter when refunds are not being made, then that becomes stealing IMO. I haven't had that problem so it was never an issue for me.

I don't need the BBB to tell me to stay away, although, it is probably a good idea to have a trail for something like this but that is what this thread is for with the exception of not getting a refund when requested. That for sure is a BBB issue if not more depending on the amount and how long it has been. The thing is, the refunds are also a recent event and haven’t had enough time to become BBB issues I don’t think but I guess if people are pissed enough it doesn’t matter how long it’s been. Also, how many really would check the BBB before ordering a holster?

It always floors me that a business will take your money in 2.5 seconds but you can’t get your refund back that fast. More like 4-6 week’s if your lucky a lot of times which is unacceptable.

Ti

January 13th, 2008, 10:08 PM	#105
Ti Carry VIP Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Under Cover Posts: 2,035	Jaystekan, That is a good post and well worth consideration by the many that are still going though issues with all of this. The problem until recently with the allotment of this thread was all of us were "muzzled" for a lack of a better term and couldn't express or investigate issues with their holster makers or others with issues getting product out. As well you want to believe and support the craftsman you have chosen to make your holsters so you want to allow them time to recover from unforseen problems or what you think at the time are legit problems and you are being told the truth. We as a gun culture want to help one another out and think the best and do not want to believe what a maker is telling you is false information. However, it is not hard to figure things out on your own over time through the forums and you are able to pick up pieces here and there and you find that putting those pieces together it doesn't add up. I said my peace on the first page of this thread and won't open another can here but I did figure it out and I at that time had no need to go to the BBB as I was given a refund without asking. Not sure the BBB wants to here that I waited 14-16 months for a holster but got a refund. Bottom line to my point is, most that are of the gun culture do not want to believe they are being had and only want to think the best and support thus they do not seek out the BBB or anyone else to help in a situation they think is normal at the time. With reading comments all the time like "it's worth the wait" or "it takes a long time for quality, but it's worth it" or "just order something to get ya by and the hostler will be in the mail before you know it". It's not that anyone in these situations are sheep at all, it's because we trust one another and take the advice given here and on other forums seriously. Also, these problems being heard here are of the minority not the majority of holster makers. Post's here are mainly talking about a select few that have had issues. Wait times in the custom holster business are known to be long and are generally accepted. Most makers make there dead lines or are very close to them within a few week's you just have to decide if you want to wait that long or not. The only thing that many here can be accused of is buying all the excuses from the minority makers involved in this hook, line and sinker not of being sheep for not telling the BBB or for not going to the authorities whoever they may be. It's another matter when refunds are not being made, then that becomes stealing IMO. I haven't had that problem so it was never an issue for me. I don't need the BBB to tell me to stay away, although, it is probably a good idea to have a trail for something like this but that is what this thread is for with the exception of not getting a refund when requested. That for sure is a BBB issue if not more depending on the amount and how long it has been. The thing is, the refunds are also a recent event and haven’t had enough time to become BBB issues I don’t think but I guess if people are pissed enough it doesn’t matter how long it’s been. Also, how many really would check the BBB before ordering a holster? It always floors me that a business will take your money in 2.5 seconds but you can’t get your refund back that fast. More like 4-6 week’s if your lucky a lot of times which is unacceptable. Ti __________________ Train and train hard, you might not get a second chance to make a first impression! I vote for Monica Lewinsky's Ex-Boyfriend's Wife for President.....Not!