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Old January 14th, 2008, 10:41 AM   #15
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Okay, here's a link for perusal: SLA Marshall's "Men Against Fire" - Has Dave Grossman Gotten This All Wrong?

It's old, actually very old, news. Grossman's thesis is based on Marshall; Marshall's thesis has been fully discredited; Grossman has not revised his position nor provided new data to either refute the "issues" with Marshall or add current substantiation to his (Grossman's) further publications based on the original work.

Grossman is using a tactic of the failed argument: if you aren't valid, be LOUD, and maybe no one will notice.

Grossman does have some valid points, but so does the Brady group. If there is a firearm in the home, statistically you are more likely to be killed with your weapon by someone you know. Of course, Brady doesn't acknowledge the dopers and gangmembers illegally owning firearms and killing each other in turf wars and dope/alchie-induced fights. And of course, all those poor darling children dying from gun violence aren't 13-15 yos dealing crack...

Grossman clearly notes the problem of acclimation to violence, but is his sourcing correct? Do video games, etc., innure people to violence or make them more violent? Or is it that law-abiding citizens tolerate more violence both by social mandate and personal choice? Ie., violent offenders are more violent and more prolific because they aren't "being attended to"perhaps...? Is violent entertainment prolific because it is demanded, or because it is available (obviously a circular argument)? How can it be argued that violent entertainment is not being demanded by violent personalities in a market-driven economy? (At least you can have real debate on that last...)

Equally, how does the higher birth-rate among the socially-deviant affect the stats?

Killology uses Freudian constructs inappropriately, and does not allude to newer (dissenting) theory.

Bottom line: he's a PhD with a need to publish. Take a salt-lick along with the text. He certainly has some insights, but is not by any means the "be-all, end-all" he's frequently cited as being.
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