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KenpoTex · March 28th, 2008, 11:26 PM

I don't want to get into a huge debate over MMA vs. combatives/martial-arts/whatever but I do want to make a couple of comments.

Just for a moment, let's ignore all the other skills (weapons, pre-fight/post fight issues, mindset, etc.) and just focus on the empty hand combat aspect. In this context, I feel that it's pretty safe to say that MMA type training (boxing, Muay-thai, wrestling, BJJ) is far superior to just about anything else out there. Why? because of the intensity and level of resistance found in MMA training that is not commonly found in most other systems. As a result of this increased "aliveness," the practicioners are able to pressure-test their material against someone who is actively trying to prevent them from doing so, and who is trying to do the exact same thing to them (knockout, submission, etc.). I personally feel that the average MMA guy would easily dominate the average practicioner of pretty much any other system in an empty-hand fight.
No one ever said MMA practicioners couldn't augment their skills with other training or alter their techniques to be more nasty. For example: the lead hand jab could just as easily be a tiger claw to the eyes, or they could be doing their punches with a push-dagger in their hands. Instead of going for a "tap-out" while on the ground, they could just break whatever limb they're cranking on. Or, use those same groundfighting skills to facilitate weapons access.
As far as other training goes, there's nothing that says that just because a guy studies MMA, he can't be a shooter, or train with a blade, or attend FOF classes to "plug the gaps" in his "competition-oriented" fighting method.

Just my $0.02...

March 28th, 2008, 11:26 PM	#22
KenpoTex Distinguished Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Springfield, Missouri Posts: 1,502	I don't want to get into a huge debate over MMA vs. combatives/martial-arts/whatever but I do want to make a couple of comments. Just for a moment, let's ignore all the other skills (weapons, pre-fight/post fight issues, mindset, etc.) and just focus on the empty hand combat aspect. In this context, I feel that it's pretty safe to say that MMA type training (boxing, Muay-thai, wrestling, BJJ) is far superior to just about anything else out there. Why? because of the intensity and level of resistance found in MMA training that is not commonly found in most other systems. As a result of this increased "aliveness," the practicioners are able to pressure-test their material against someone who is actively trying to prevent them from doing so, and who is trying to do the exact same thing to them (knockout, submission, etc.). I personally feel that the average MMA guy would easily dominate the average practicioner of pretty much any other system in an empty-hand fight. No one ever said MMA practicioners couldn't augment their skills with other training or alter their techniques to be more nasty. For example: the lead hand jab could just as easily be a tiger claw to the eyes, or they could be doing their punches with a push-dagger in their hands. Instead of going for a "tap-out" while on the ground, they could just break whatever limb they're cranking on. Or, use those same groundfighting skills to facilitate weapons access. As far as other training goes, there's nothing that says that just because a guy studies MMA, he can't be a shooter, or train with a blade, or attend FOF classes to "plug the gaps" in his "competition-oriented" fighting method. Just my $0.02... __________________ If you carry in Condition 3, you have two empty chambers. One in the weapon...the other between your ears. MOΛΩN ΛABÉ Matt K.