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Old July 3rd, 2008, 01:53 PM   #29
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Originally Posted by Bark'n View Post
Not going into a debate on apples and oranges or things like that... Just stating a fact.
Not looking to debate at all. Trying not to take a stance either pro or con. My question is about gathering information, so I can make a decision about this issue based on fact not assumptions or myths. I am not debating officers shot while OC are irrelevant. Although I do think it is absurd to argue that every officer that is shot is shot because they OC as some have done. I am saying that IF civilians that OC have their guns taken away there should be evidence of that. We did in fact find one story of that happening. IF those that OC are shot first during the commission of a crime there should be evidence of that. IF those that OC are more likely to have a violent confrontation there should be evidence of that. As there is evidence that some LEO and the general public sadly including many who claim to be pro 2A have irrational fear of OC and/or think it is not legal. So far we have found only one story that validate any of the concerns against OC.
I am not advocating OC for anyone, I asked the question because I wanted to get the facts. I am sure you are aware that Brady Bunch and anti's have a tactic of creating an anti myth without any foundation in fact. They repeat it so often people begin to "assume" it is true. An example of that is the myth that we are five times more likely to be shot because we have guns. Total complete lie with no foundation in fact at all, none, zip, nadda. But how often have you heard it stated as fact. When asked for verification how often have you heard some variant of. "Well, well I know it is true so I do not have to prove it"? Sadly that is alot of what I am hearing here. Which is a stance I do not understand. One because I like to think we are above that kind of conduct. Two if we are really pro 2A why would we disparage any method of carrying a weapon? Even if we personally opt not to do so. Why would we not encourage the other guy from doing so if that is what they are comfortable with? Especially when we can not find any evidence that our negative impressions of OC are founded in fact? If they are fact why is this thread not filled with links or stories of people getting their gun taken away or being shot first during the commission of a crime or attacked because they have a gun?

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Originally Posted by Bark'n View Post
And there is a large databank of those who open carry who have been killed with their own guns.
Can you provide me with a link or links to that database. That is exactly what I am looking for. Several internet searches have resulted in nothing
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