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Originally Posted by T Bone
Cupcake, could you site a source on this? First I've heard of it. AFAIK, Michigan no gun signs carry absolutely no force of law.
If you are discovered carrying in a business so posted, they can ask you to leave. If you refuse, THEN you are guilty of trespassing. Of course, we shouldn't shop in those places anyway. And if we did, no reason for them ever to see our weapon.
Besides, the same goes even for an unposted business, they can ask you to leave at any time, and if they do so, and you refuse, you are still trespassing. But to my knowledge, ignoring their pitiful sign and entering while carrying does not automatically constitute a crime of any kind.
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Don't know that it's written so much as an interpretation. Basically it was explained to me like this (and makes sense to me):
If a place has a sign that says "keep out" or "No trespassing" then you are trespassing once ignore the sign and walk in. You don't have to be verbally told to leave to be trespassing.
If we apply the fact that a "keep out" sign is enough for a trespassing conviction, then we must consider that a no gun sign is warning enough, and no verbal is needed. Perhaps it would only hold up if the sign specifically said that "those who bring firearms in here are trespassing" but I wouldn't want ot be a test case. The trespassing probably no big deal, but if something went down and some prosecutor with an agenda decides that you had a duty to retreat and you didn't, then it's a whole ballgame that I wouldn't want to play.
That said, If I had to use deadly force and there is some prosecutor who thinks I didn't try hard enough to run away, then I'd probably be dead if not for having a weapon. I don't want to tell anybody what they should do, just make everyone think before making decisions.