DefensiveCarry Concealed Carry Forum - View Single Post - 'Aimed Vs. Point Shooting'

Skye · January 7th, 2009, 03:18 AM

Thanks Jang for an interesting report.

My comments:
While I have the utmost respect for whatever Mr. Ayoob says, we all must adjust our training to our own capabilities and percieved needs.

In my own case, I have read a lot on shootings (mostly by LEO) and was impressed by the fact that most of them happened at close distances (from contact distance out to 7 yards).

Which of course brings us to the age-old argument of point vs aimed shooting.

If a bad guy grabs me and I am able to get my handgun out, it is pretty obvious that I will be point shooting to protect myself.

Same thing if he is at arms length (one yard) away.

But how about if he is five yards away? (that is only 15 feet).

Some time ago I decided to test this for myself and set up two standard B27 (man sized targets) at fifteen feet and started to practice point shooting at them. ( I assumed that they were running toward me).

Eventually I got to the point of solid center of mass hits using the Mozonbique (SP) drill of two shots to COM and one to the head.

Using a timer I found that I can generally get six rounds off at the two targets in about four seconds.

This slow time is due to being a civilian I must wear my handgun concealed and need to sweep the cover garment aside before being able to draw. Remember LEO's open carry and their time to presentation will be quite a bit faster. (danged buttons & zippers).

This led me to experiment with doing the drill with weapon in hand at the low ready. I can get the six shots off at the two attackers in under two seconds that way.

Still very slow especially if you have ever seen a competition shooter do the "El Presedente" drill (draw and fire 12 shots with a reload) in under 6 seconds.

But we live in the real world out here and I am satisfied that point shooting at close ranges is the way to go for us civilians.

Also I am convinced that if at all possible, you need to have the weapon already in hand before the shooting starts.

Thanks again Jang. Do you have any comments on point vs aimed fire?

...Skye...

January 7th, 2009, 03:18 AM	#2
Skye Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Colorado Posts: 83	Thanks Jang for an interesting report. My comments: While I have the utmost respect for whatever Mr. Ayoob says, we all must adjust our training to our own capabilities and percieved needs. In my own case, I have read a lot on shootings (mostly by LEO) and was impressed by the fact that most of them happened at close distances (from contact distance out to 7 yards). Which of course brings us to the age-old argument of point vs aimed shooting. If a bad guy grabs me and I am able to get my handgun out, it is pretty obvious that I will be point shooting to protect myself. Same thing if he is at arms length (one yard) away. But how about if he is five yards away? (that is only 15 feet). Some time ago I decided to test this for myself and set up two standard B27 (man sized targets) at fifteen feet and started to practice point shooting at them. ( I assumed that they were running toward me). Eventually I got to the point of solid center of mass hits using the Mozonbique (SP) drill of two shots to COM and one to the head. Using a timer I found that I can generally get six rounds off at the two targets in about four seconds. This slow time is due to being a civilian I must wear my handgun concealed and need to sweep the cover garment aside before being able to draw. Remember LEO's open carry and their time to presentation will be quite a bit faster. (danged buttons & zippers). This led me to experiment with doing the drill with weapon in hand at the low ready. I can get the six shots off at the two attackers in under two seconds that way. Still very slow especially if you have ever seen a competition shooter do the "El Presedente" drill (draw and fire 12 shots with a reload) in under 6 seconds. But we live in the real world out here and I am satisfied that point shooting at close ranges is the way to go for us civilians. Also I am convinced that if at all possible, you need to have the weapon already in hand before the shooting starts. Thanks again Jang. Do you have any comments on point vs aimed fire? ...Skye...